Ross Kemp and the Armed please

[elsparko]

the police are supposed to de-escalate situations

if the police need to be armed then the argument stands that so do ordinary citizens, if you want the police armed, i want a sidearm license too.

 

[Midwest]

why would i report them? they have done nothing to me, im not a snake

you seem to live in a perfect world, everyone has a price, even police officers, that uniform doesnt somehow make them a superior moral being.

You seem to be appalled about police corruption, but don't want to do anything about. If your saw someone nicking a car, you wouldn't report it?

My world is not perfect, I've clearly more worldly wise than you to realise that. I think you are just a youngster with no life experiences; give it a few more years and see what comes your way, and the people you hold dear.

What price to pay and uniformed beings? You clearly don't read what people post.

 

[Midwest]

the training is simple, dont point the business end of the weapon at anything you arent prepared to fire on

Wot about how you load the thing in the first place?

 

[Midwest]

the police are supposed to de-escalate situations

if the police need to be armed then the argument stands that so do ordinary citizens, if you want the police armed, i want a sidearm license too.

Your just being argumentative for the sake of.

 

[elsparko]

You seem to be appalled about police corruption, but don't want to do anything about. If your saw someone nicking a car, you wouldn't report it?

My world is not perfect, I've clearly more worldly wise than you to realise that. I think you are just a youngster with no life experiences; give it a few more years and see what comes your way, and the people you hold dear.

What price to pay and uniformed beings? You clearly don't read what people post.

plata o plomo.

ive got plenty life experience, plenty with the police, most of them are inept

its like g4s hiring pensioner females to guard prisons LOL

howdo you think drugs get into prison? 90% of it is through guards

how do you think evidence goes "missing" in important cases?

that uniform doesnt make them any better than you or me, why you want bobbies on the beat armed is senseless

most criminals dont use guns, just a fraction of them (in this country anyway) so why do the police need to be armed to the hilt to combat a small fraction of society?

or is it because the dregs of the world are flooding into europe then here via eu citizenship?


i bet you think catholic priests can do no wrong aswell, such a fairytale you live in.

if i seen someone breaking into a car? id black their eyes

 

[elsparko]

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[elsparko]

Wot about how you load the thing in the first place?

if you cant chamber a firearm correctly without being "taught" then you have no place holding it!

 

[Midwest]

Presumably at some point in your life, you've had some experience? Like if I gave you a voltage tester, you would know how to use it. Give the same device to a someone in a diy store, they would not have a scooby.

 

[elsparko]

Presumably at some point in your life, you've had some experience? Like if I gave you a voltage tester, you would know how to use it. Give the same device to a someone in a diy store, they would not have a scooby.

false equivalence

even if you have no experience with firearms, loading a rifle should not need to be taught

pointy end of bullet towards what you want to shoot at

would you need to be taught how to use a bow and arrow?

 

[telectrix]

would you need to be taught how to use a bow and arrow?

way back in 1066, some guy needed training.harold told him to be careful with that bow and arrow, or you'll have somebody's eye out.

 

[elsparko]

how many london gunman "yutes" have had firearms training? they seem plenty capable of loading up a whole variety of firearms all by themselves

 

[elsparko]

and tbh marksmanship is either something you have or you dont, i have never seen anyone improve that much even with years of range time

anyone that was good at shooting instantly showed it.

 

[Squid]

A 2012 report into police corruption in England and Wales by the IPCC noted the prevalence of the serious offences referred to them from 2008 to 2011; perverting the course of justice (33%), theft or fraud (30%), abuse of authority (15%), unauthorised disclosure of information (13%), and misuse of systems (9%).[212] The IPCC received 837 referrals during this period, mostly from UK citizens.[212] 47 cases were referred for prosecution, resulting in ten prison sentences, one suspended sentence and one fine.[212] As a result of all investigations into the corruption and misconduct of UK police and staff between 1 April 2013 and 31 March 2014, 134 police officers and staff were dismissed, while a further 711 faced disciplinary sanctions.[210] 103 Metropolitan Police officers were also suspended during this period.[213] Offences included drug related offences, bribery, theft or fraud, sexual misconduct, and information disclosure, where information disclosure and theft or fraud were the most common offences.[210][213] The Directorate of Professional standards considers the "exploitation of staff through inappropriate relationships with journalists, private investigators and criminals" the biggest threat to police integrity.[213]

Can you do the same with Electricians would be interesting to see the stats, entry exam is zero by all accounts ;o))))

 

[Midwest]

how many london gunman "yutes" have had firearms training? they seem plenty capable of loading up a whole variety of firearms all by themselves

But we are not on about 'yutes', we are talking of training police officers, to be deployed with firearms. You've already given arguments about poor standards within the police service, you can't have you argument both ways.

Incorrect loading & unloading procedures can cause incident and injuries.

 

[elsparko]

Can you do the same with Electricians would be interesting to see the stats, entry exam is zero by all accounts ;o))))

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But we are not on about 'yutes', we are talking of training police officers, to be deployed with firearms. You've already given arguments about poor standards within the police service, you can't have you argument both ways.

Incorrect loading & unloading procedures can cause incident and injuries.

what makes those police officers more moral?

 

[Midwest]

j

what makes those police officers more moral?

Eh?

 

[elsparko]

Eh?

you seem to think police officers have some moral authority over everyone else, how do they obtain it? is it the uniform? are they all 100% good people?

if one incident at dunblane can get handguns banned for the other 99% of gun owners that are good people then the 1% of bad police should = no guns for bobbies on the beat regardless of their character

arming the police will only arm more criminals

and what about that brazilian chap that got 5 pieces of lead tapped into his head for wearing a backpack on the london underground? copper probably got 2 weeks suspension and back to usual


lets arm security guards at asda whilst were at it, low tier police officers dont even get trusted with tazers, because its human nature for idiots to abuse authority

 

[elsparko]

 

[Midwest]

you seem to think police officers have some moral authority over everyone else, how do they obtain it? is it the uniform? are they all 100% good people?

if one incident at dunblane can get handguns banned for the other 99% of gun owners that are good people then the 1% of bad police should = no guns for bobbies on the beat regardless of their character

arming the police will only arm more criminals

and what about that brazilian chap that got 5 pieces of lead tapped into his head for wearing a backpack on the london underground? copper probably got 2 weeks suspension and back to usual


lets arm security guards at asda whilst were at it, low tier police officers dont even get trusted with tazers, because its human nature for idiots to abuse authority

I don't think cops have better morals than anyone else. If you take time to read my posts. Cops are picked from our society, and therefore reflect or should reflect the morals of our society.

Are you suggesting non of our police officers should be armed? ​

 

[Squid]

Its Friday I think elsparko has finished work early and has started at the now £8 per 3 litres bottles of Diamond White........ ;o)))))

 

[elsparko]

I don't think cops have better morals than anyone else. If you take time to read my posts. Cops are picked from our society, and therefore reflect or should reflect the morals of our society.

Are you suggesting non of our police officers should be armed? ​

i already said a small percentage of them should be armed, if you take time to read my posts...

most of society are idiots, therefore if they are picked from society they should not all be armed just by virtue of being a police officer.

 

[Nigel]

i already said a small percentage of them should be armed, if you take time to read my posts...

most of society are idiots, therefore if they are picked from society they should not all be armed just by virtue of being a police officer.

I thinks that is a reflection on you and your immediate circle ‘idiots’.

Most people are not idiots.

 

[Midwest]

i already said a small percentage of them should be armed, if you take time to read my posts...

most of society are idiots, therefore if they are picked from society they should not all be armed just by virtue of being a police officer.

If you read my posts, I'm not for arming all police officers. I'm for maintaining current AFO's, ARV's and specialisms such as CT-SFO's, but possibly with available funding, providing more.

As for your last nonsensical sentence, do you include yourself in that genre?

 

[Midwest]

I thinks that is a reflection on you and your immediate circle ‘idiots’.

Most people are not idiots.

He knows some bent cops mates , but doesn't want to be a snake and bring them to justice.

 

[elsparko]

If you read my posts, I'm not for arming all police officers. I'm for maintaining current AFO's, ARV's and specialisms such as CT-SFO's, but possibly with available funding, providing more.

As for your last nonsensical sentence, do you include yourself in that genre?

why would i? i obviously have more sense than you, just because you have a gang of boyfriends on here to like your comments doesnt mean youre right, just means my statement about "most of society" is correct, demonstrated by yourself.

 

[Deleted member 26818]

Most people are not idiots.

Not sure the evidence supports that statement.

 

[Nigel]

He knows some bent cops mates , but doesn't want to be a snake and bring them to justice.

I don’t believe him personally. Cannot imagine cops letting him in on their secrets.

 

[elsparko]

He knows some bent cops mates , but doesn't want to be a snake and bring them to justice.

you would probably dob your own family in if they put plastic lids in their recycling box, you need to get your head out of the sand

you sound like youre stuck in the 1960s

 

[elsparko]

I don’t believe him personally. Cannot imagine cops letting him in on their secrets.

"secrets" lolololololololololol, you really are a big girls blouse, i dont need to be told by them personally to know what their associations are

cant imagine you being allowed near sharp objects but hey ho

 

[Deleted member 26818]

you would probably dob your own family in if they put plastic lids in their recycling box, you need to get your head out of the sand

you sound like youre stuck in the 1960s

Plastic lids are supposed to be recycled?

 

[elsparko]

Not sure the evidence supports that statement.

so everyone is geniuses then? those 4 child households where nobody works seems to say otherwise.

 

[elsparko]

Plastic lids are supposed to be recycled?

no they arent.

 

[MDJ]

Hey Elsparko, keep away from the Whiskey lol

 

[elsparko]

they already have several dedicated forces for tackling gang/serious crime in the uk, youve probably only heard of trident but there is also the "matrix"

 

[Deleted member 26818]

so everyone is geniuses then? those 4 child households where nobody works seems to say otherwise.

Read the post again, stop jumping to conclusions.

 

[Deleted member 26818]

no they arent.

I beg to differ.

 

[elsparko]

I beg to differ.

turns out you are right, they do now accept plastic bottle tops in the recycling

ok then try this analogy, i bet hes the type of guy that if he seen a dog walker not picking up their dog ---- he would phone 999, less he be offended :O:O:O:O:O

 

[Deleted member 26818]

Best not to use analogies.

 

[MDJ]

I love a good friday night punch up, ding ding lol

 

[elsparko]

I love a good friday night punch up, ding ding lol

 

[Midwest]

I thought I was having an argument with someone who had some some brain cells more t

you would probably dob your own family in if they put plastic lids in their recycling box, you need to get your head out of the sand

you sound like youre stuck in the 1960s

I think you are just having a bit of fun, in your own small way. Can't see the point in discussing this any further.

 

[telectrix]

could degenerate into arming the scots. now that would be a disaster, they already pulled down Hadrian's wall to make curling stones. .

 

[Squid]

He knows some bent cops mates , but doesn't want to be a snake and bring them to justice.

Was has being gay got to do with this thread?

 

[Squid]

could degenerate into arming the scots. now that would be a disaster, they already pulled down Hadrian's wall to make curling stones. .

You missed out on a business opportunity there Tel ;o)))

 

[Midwest]

Was has being gay got to do with this thread?

Takes all sorts

 

[Squid]

Takes all sorts
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remember I have copies of your errrr "home videos"

 

[Midwest]

Was has being gay got to do with this thread?

Takes all sorts
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remember I want copies of members "home videos", just pop them in the post, pretty please

I was referring to his quote about 'bent' coppers, therefore posted picture of a copper in a bent posture, you just have a depraved mind

 

[Squid]

I was referring to his quote about 'bent' coppers, therefore posted picture of a copper in a bent posture, you just have a depraved mind

I have an open mind ;o))))) no need for post I am an expert hacker......