Spanners for swa glands

[Adam_glover18]

Hi good evening chaps

just a quick question for the life of me I can't remember what size spanners are suitable for 20s,20 and 25 mm glands dont really want to use adjustable they can be a bit tricky getting into awkward spots.
Any help would be gratefully appreciated

 

[trev]

2 words mate.
Gland pliers

 

[shanky887614]

why not just take a couple glands with you into a shop and try them if you cant remember.

or get a tape measure and that will tell you the size

 

[davesparks]

Put a set of verniers on them and measure them.

 

[Adam_glover18]

Hi thanks for the quick replies due to it being in a hazardous area there's no shrouds and any form of marking on the glands is a no no lol. I never thought of that it's a good idea lol cheers guys

 

[amlu]

waterpump pliers, the smaller the better. if you dont want scratches wrap them around with some tape ;-)

Waterpump Pliers 203mm (8") | Water Pump Pliers | NoLinkingToThis

 

[sparkdog]

Bachco adjustable,very precise adjustment and slim jaws.

 

[shanky887614]

how about a pair of these

Ridgid E-110 Hex Wrench

sold at toolstop

 

[Adam_glover18]

Cheers for the replays chaps I'll be looking into your ideas I have a set of them rigid E-110 there really good I find them a ball ache at times when your glanding in a confined space there really good for bigger glands

 

[Darkwood]

There's no simple answer to the original question as differing brands engineer the glands to their own spec's giving variable outer diameters for the same 20mm/25mm glands.

As above adjustable pliers the best - if your having issues with confined spaces a lot then re-design the install to ensure glanding is easier for install and maintenance.

 

[LeeH]

These cover 25mm glands, they are short and don't slip like pump type pliers.

https://www.cromwell.co.uk/KEN5015080K

 

[Simonslimline]

I use a pair of these and find them very good.




BAHCO 9031 ERGO? Black Adjustable Wrench Extra Wide Jaw 38mm. NEW. L@@K. | eBay

 

[shanky887614]

cant you cover the gland in some kind of amalgamating tape if shrouds are a no go, afterall the cable is covered in pvc so they shouldn't moan at pvc tape.

if damaging them wasnt a problem I would be tempted to use stilsons

 

[davesparks]

Depends on the reason for not having shrouds. It may be that they are required to be visible for inspection, tape would be worse than shrouds in that case.

 

[Engineer54]

Hi thanks for the quick replies due to it being in a hazardous area there's no shrouds and any form of marking on the glands is a no no lol. I never thought of that it's a good idea lol cheers guys

Never heard of that one before, so what's the reasoning behind that little gem then?? Shrouds can be slipped down for gland inspection and any glands used, will be of the suitable EX'd type!! So i'm at a complete loss, considering the shrouds protect the SWA against the elements etc????? lol!!

We use adhesive lined heatshrink on all our external SWA glands, and personally i'd be using the same on hazardous area installations as well, unless anyone can give me a good reason not too?? ...lol!!

 

[LeeH]

Because you shouldn't mod any ex equipment whatsoever. It all has to be as it came.

That's what I was taught on the COMPEX.

I know that makes no sense RE the heat shrink but it was presented as black and white as that.

I also don't understand Adam regarding the no shrouds thing, they come with the glands so should be on shouldn't they?

Manufactures spec trumps all doesn't it?

 

[Adam_glover18]

Never heard of that one before, so what's the reasoning behind that little gem then?? Shrouds can be slipped down for gland inspection and any glands used, will be of the suitable EX'd type!! So i'm at a complete loss, considering the shrouds protect the SWA against the elements etc????? lol!!

We use adhesive lined heatshrink on all our external SWA glands, and personally i'd be using the same on hazardous area installations as well, unless anyone can give me a good reason not too?? ...lol!!

I haven't a clue pal it's what has been specified by the client the glands are by a company called cmp I think not to sure though. We got told that if a shroud is on it collects water. It's all to do with compex they have someone inspecting the glands for marks and that they have made off propally

 

[tomfj]

Because you shouldn't mod any ex equipment whatsoever. It all has to be as it came.

That's what I was taught on the COMPEX.

I know that makes no sense RE the heat shrink but it was presented as black and white as that.

I also don't understand Adam regarding the no shrouds thing, they come with the glands so should be on shouldn't they?

Manufactures spec trumps all doesn't it?

Some EX equipment is designed with flame paths to allow the flame/explosion to escape in such way as to dissipate the energy to safe levels ,you should never over tighten the glands for this reason or modify EX glands,The flame paths can be the threads on the gland if they're sealed up they cant function as designed.
On some sites i was on that didn't allow shrouds it was to make sure corrosion was spotted ,the shrouds protect against the elements but can hide damage and trap water. Also on one site we came across some vendor glands that weren't LSF/LS0H and had no markings as to differentiate from similar LSF/LS0H shrouds so the engineer said they all had to go

 

[Sparkie30]

These are very good Knipex Cobra Water Pump Pliers 250mm

 

[davesparks]

I haven't a clue pal it's what has been specified by the client the glands are by a company called cmp I think not to sure though. We got told that if a shroud is on it collects water. It's all to do with compex they have someone inspecting the glands for marks and that they have made off propally

Well you can't go far wrong with CMP glands, they are one of the best manufacturers.

 

[WaterSparky]

I have a set of these for making off glands but in 250mm size, by far the best imo. Like pump pliers but smooth so no issues if you slip you won't gnarl up the gland.

Knipex plier wrench

 

[dan86]

I have a set of these for making off glands but in 250mm size, by far the best imo. Like pump pliers but smooth so no issues if you slip you won't gnarl up the gland.

Knipex plier wrench

quite like the look of them

 

[shanky887614]

quite like the look of them

a lot cheaper on amazon

 

[tomfj]

I have a set of these for making off glands but in 250mm size, by far the best imo. Like pump pliers but smooth so no issues if you slip you won't gnarl up the gland.

Knipex plier wrench

These are great,At this stage i wouldn't go near a gland with any other type of pliers (that is type not brand ),i also use an adjustable/spanner but nothing with teeth,with more and more being inspected ( a lot of Atex sites) its just not a good start for the first thing an inspector to see is a battered gland. I'll be honest and say its forces better habits on you, starting with the right tool for the job

 

[timbobelfast]

Never heard of that one before, so what's the reasoning behind that little gem then?? Shrouds can be slipped down for gland inspection and any glands used, will be of the suitable EX'd type!! So i'm at a complete loss, considering the shrouds protect the SWA against the elements etc????? lol!!

We use adhesive lined heatshrink on all our external SWA glands, and personally i'd be using the same on hazardous area installations as well, unless anyone can give me a good reason not too?? ...lol!!

The Hawke branded glands are IP66 rated without the need for a shroud. Certification for the gland needs to be visible for visual inspections. Also the salty air hardens the shroud over time making it near impossible to remove without damage. If I come across a shrouded gland on a relatively new installation offshore then it is usually trying to hide something lol.

 

[Dan]

Don't mind me while I bump some old threads. Just doing the rounds. Ignore the thread if it's not current topic, it'll soon drop off the list, but if the thread interests you, feel free to reply.

 

[MichaelMcK2]

Never heard of that one before, so what's the reasoning behind that little gem then?? Shrouds can be slipped down for gland inspection and any glands used, will be of the suitable EX'd type!! So i'm at a complete loss, considering the shrouds protect the SWA against the elements etc????? lol!!

We use adhesive lined heatshrink on all our external SWA glands, and personally i'd be using the same on hazardous area installations as well, unless anyone can give me a good reason not too?? ...lol!!

Shrouds or any covering on a gland for that matter allow a build up of moisture and quite possibly the gas or whatever is in that hazardous area, that’s why we’re not supposed to use them in hazardous installations

I can understand if you’ve never heard of this if you’re not in the hazardous area field. I first heard of it about 7 years ago, an engineer from Hawke (the gland company) visited our site and said they were starting to advise against the use of shrouds in hazardous areas.

 

[HappyHippyDad]

Well that's put that 8 year old thread to rest then

 

[pirate]

Not quite, HHD!
Some idiot will come along with another post soon...
Oh...
Sorry!

 

[MichaelMcK2]

Well that's put that 8 year old thread to rest then

I googled a place to buy gland spanners and it led me to this post for some reason so I read it out of interest

I was amazed by the amount of people who suggest gland pliers and adjustable pliers instead of gland spanners. Ah well, just thought I’d chip in haha

 

[ipf]

Not quite, HHD!
Some idiot will come along with another post soon...
Oh...
Sorry!

Won't be Eng54 though, RIP.
There weren't many fields he wasn't expert in.

 

[HappyHippyDad]

I googled a place to buy gland spanners and it led me to this post for some reason so I read it out of interest

I was amazed by the amount of people who suggest gland pliers and adjustable pliers instead of gland spanners. Ah well, just thought I’d chip in haha

I admit, I find it difficult to tighten up the nut sometimes. A normal spanner wont fit in the enclosure.
So... I googled gland spanner after reading this thread and ended up reading this thread!

 

[ipf]

I'll admit to using something with a plumbing 'ring'......water pump pliers.
Although, I've only just heard them given that name....just know 'em as 'grips'

 

[partplonker]

I'll admit to using something with a plumbing 'ring'......water pump pliers.
Although, I've only just heard them given that name....just know 'em as 'grips'

I'd never heard of water pump pliers either, only ever heard them called grips or dogs. I think the Americans call them "channel locks". I use an adjustable spanner and a pair of grips with tape over the ends for doing glands.

 

[SparkySy]

I have a couple of teng wrenches, they are great for glands as they have a very slim jaw profile and depth, they adjust up nicely and leave no marks on the gland!
I have their bigger brothers too for 50mm glands.

Teng Tools Wide Jaw Adjustable Wrenches

Choice Of SizesWide JawLifetime Warranty

www.toolstoday.co.uk

 

[Moley]

I usually use a water pump pliers or, ahem, a hammer and chisel

 

[SparkySy]

I have used a chisel a few times especially when you are tightening the swa nut up and the damn gland starts slipping round

 

[nicebutdim]

No one use smooth jawed gland pliers/grips?

Knipex, Irwin and Channellock make them and most likely some others. Generally see them in 250mm & 300mm, but pretty certain they come in big sizes for tightening big stuff.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B000CDU2SK/?coliid=I1IQ8O6BVPUK57&colid=3O5J51CT7OGS&psc=1&ref_=lv_ov_lig_dp_it

 

[ipf]

I'd never heard of water pump pliers either, only ever heard them called grips or dogs. I think the Americans call them "channel locks". I use an adjustable spanner and a pair of grips with tape over the ends for doing glands.

We think along the same lines, mate. Dogs uninsulated and screw pin for altering jaw size.........and not far off my age.

 

[MichaelMcK2]

I'd never heard of water pump pliers either, only ever heard them called grips or dogs. I think the Americans call them "channel locks". I use an adjustable spanner and a pair of grips with tape over the ends for doing glands.

Channel lock is a brand in the US, they do all kinds; side cutters, pliers etc. they use them over here in Australia too, very common.

Get yourself some gland spanners for glands, they’re like a dream.

 

[nicebutdim]

Channel lock is a brand in the US, they do all kinds; side cutters, pliers etc. they use them over here in Australia too, very common.

Get yourself some gland spanners for glands, they’re like a dream.

I'd expect gland spanners to be excellent, but don't fancy lugging around a selection of various sized spanners to deal with sizes from 20 to 63S.

 

[Thedeep]

I haven't a clue pal it's what has been specified by the client the glands are by a company called cmp I think not to sure though. We got told that if a shroud is on it collects water. It's all to do with compex they have someone inspecting the glands for marks and that they have made off propally

Absolutely correct they hold water, shrouds are totally unnecessary. 20s is 24mm spanner, 20 large is 30mm spanner.