Train 4 trade skills feedback

[Onthecase]

Hi tnicol,
I cant PM either, for same reason, but I will post my email address if enough people show interest, we could keep posting until we are able to do PMs. I have an appointment with my MP on the 14th Dec and will need all info from anyone who would like me to air their problems before that date.. I will keep posting to remind people. Glad you are willing to support this very good cause
Speak soon

 

[Onthecase]

Hi Everyone having trouble with train4tradeskills/barclays etc, Please show your interest in a petition I am planning to present to my MP on 14th December. I cannot Private message at the moment as I havnt posted enough times, but I will post my emails address, for everyone to send their stories, on this thread if enough people show interest and support ths petition. Get together your stories/complaints etc and I will present these along with all others interested.

 

[mikey1]

Hi I too am having a problem with t4ts and just wonered if any body out there had finance through hitachi/any other companies if so could you give any advice please

 

[Onthecase]

Hi everyone,
My MP has agreed to liase with your MPs to support our complaints against T4TS etc, unfortunely Im not allowed to post my email address for you to be able to contact me, I need your stories outling your complaints, your names and address's so my MP knows which MP represents you. Does anyone know how to get round not being able to post my email address? I cannot PM as I havnt posted enough times. Until I can get your details we cannot move forward, Any ideas please????

 

[Onthecase]

Hi Again,
Re my last post, I have received a letter fom my MP today, he has confirmed that he is writing to Barclays on my behalf and also initiating a complaint with the FSA. So, my complaint is being dealt with, but is yours?? Please everyone the best way forward with this is to get an appointment at your local MPs advice surgery , its very easy, look in your local paper or local government website for details. My MP has offered to liase with all your MPs to add more power to the complaint. Tell your MP the nature of your complaint against T4TS/Barclays etc and also that other MPs will be involved, I cannot mention my MPs name so its a matter of them seeking each other out. The more complaints about the same company the more likely we wll have some success. I cannot believe anyone with a legitimate complaint would pass up this offer of help, as I have said many times before I have tried everything else and this is the best offer of help so far. Go for it, what have you got to lose?

 

[Onthecase2]

Hi Onthecase

My partner has even worst case with Barclays Partner Finance and OLCI. He was able to pay for full course so they agreed he will pay a big sum-lamp and then monthly without any interest. But the guy who was representing the college let my partner sign the loan not knowing that it is the loan. My partner did not even fill in the form, he only signed it thinking that he is signing what was said. When my partner realized that it was not what had been said on the interview, he contacted both BPF and OLCI. The OLCI replied that the agreement is a subject of non-cancellation policy. The Barclays Partner Finance concluded that the findings in their investigations are fair and reasonable. But the true is that my partner was completely misled. He had the money to pay for the full course. The loan was £7854.00 – the cost of the course £5858.85 = £1997.15 overpaid money. There is no reason why my partner would wanted the loan. Anyhow, my partner contacted the Ombudsman, but they say my partner signed it, therefore agreed to it. My partner informed OLCI he will not commence the course and he did not pay a penny so the interest has been now growing for 3 years. He received a new letter from now called Marlin Europe I urging him to pay. I thing that the best way is to go against them and not just ignore the letters from them and accept bed credit record/depth.
I have the name of our MP and his email, but the English is not my first language as well as my partner's and I am afraid that with my type of writing I will not get the reply. Would you be able to help me and my partner to write to out MP?

Kind regards
Onthecase2

 

[Onthecase]

Hi Onthecase

My partner has even worst case with Barclays Partner Finance and OLCI. He was able to pay for full course so they agreed he will pay a big sum-lamp and then monthly without any interest. But the guy who was representing the college let my partner sign the loan not knowing that it is the loan. My partner did not even fill in the form, he only signed it thinking that he is signing what was said. When my partner realized that it was not what had been said on the interview, he contacted both BPF and OLCI. The OLCI replied that the agreement is a subject of non-cancellation policy. The Barclays Partner Finance concluded that the findings in their investigations are fair and reasonable. But the true is that my partner was completely misled. He had the money to pay for the full course. The loan was £7854.00 – the cost of the course £5858.85 = £1997.15 overpaid money. There is no reason why my partner would wanted the loan. Anyhow, my partner contacted the Ombudsman, but they say my partner signed it, therefore agreed to it. My partner informed OLCI he will not commence the course and he did not pay a penny so the interest has been now growing for 3 years. He received a new letter from now called Marlin Europe I urging him to pay. I thing that the best way is to go against them and not just ignore the letters from them and accept bed credit record/depth.
I have the name of our MP and his email, but the English is not my first language as well as my partner's and I am afraid that with my type of writing I will not get the reply. Would you be able to help me and my partner to write to out MP?

Kind regards
Onthecase2

Hi Onthecase2

Do not worry about writing to your MP, the best way to proceed with this is to visit your MPs local advice surgery. Your MP will have local advice centres where you can meet face to face to explain your problem. The telephone number to arrange this meeting will be on your MPs website, and its free!
When you meet your MP tell him that there are other MPs involved in this Train4tradeskills/Barclays etc complaint, I know of at least 4 other MPs who will know about our problems, getting your MP involved will help.
If you have any questions please feel free to ask.
Regards

 

[Onthecase2]

Hi Onthecase

Will do... I have all details now. Thanks again. I hope the MP will be kind enough to deal with my partner. I am afraid of executors. We worked hard for what we have. I don't want anybody looking on what we have and ticking what they can take. We certainly are not giving them any money. I am very angry about the whole situation. This world is bed. If not this experience I would not believe that louring into loan can happen in a college where you seek education.

Regards
Onthecase 2

 

[Johnuk]

well we all could have told u all, 6k for a Electrical Trainee course, with no exp, dont make you a domestic spark

 

[Onthecase2]

I am not expecting from Electrical Trainee course proficient electrician skills. My partner's story is not about this. I am talking about expensive loans that are offered to students in these colleges and in my partner's case where he did not want the loan (did not need) and said it clearly to the college representative. The representative still slyly made my partner to sign for the loan. The college representative left my partner to sign completely different deal and not the one they discussed. He pressured my partner that if he does not sign strait away the forms he may lose certain modules or even place in college. That is what I am talking about.

 

[Jamb34]

hello very new to this forum

i got the Trade 4 skills packedge about mid last year paying like 3,000 for the course long atory short i want to cancel the course having read what i will be getting in return in worthless

any feedback would gratefully received

 

[Johnuk]

lol good luck in that ps u will not getyour money back

 

[Onthecase]

lol good luck in that ps u will not getyour money back

Do you have anything helpful to add to this thread???? We know we have been ripped off but really dont want to be laughed at. Thanks

 

[Guest111]

If you read on this forum you will soon discover that the people who have done these types of course really struggle.The only way to learn the job is by doing it,personally I feel sorry for the people who fell for their hype,times are difficult at the moment and employers can pick and choose and I for one would prefer to employ someone who had learned the traditional way than by doing an expensive course.These things should be stopped as they take peoples hard earned cash and in reality very few of their students earn anything like the amounts they state in their adverts.

 

[markc123]

Now, when IT SPARKY next writes on this forum - im redirecting him to this thread. The Electrical Trainee is at best a joke, and at worst....i can't say otherwise ill be banned from the forum.

I feel sorry for the lads that are conned like this, it's not right - it isn't. I doubt you'll get your money back either, but what you can do is try and educate and advise people to not take these stupid courses so nobody else is stung like you lads.

 

[Johnuk]

yea i feel for the 1 to electrical trainee people who do the courses they pay loads and find it very hard to find work,

i have rang up one of these place and there a joke

but if you have only done a couple of lesson can ou just not stop your payments, and just tell them its your right to stop payments

 

[Onthecase2]

Hi Onthecase2

Do not worry about writing to your MP, the best way to proceed with this is to visit your MPs local advice surgery. Your MP will have local advice centres where you can meet face to face to explain your problem. The telephone number to arrange this meeting will be on your MPs website, and its free!
When you meet your MP tell him that there are other MPs involved in this Train4tradeskills/Barclays etc complaint, I know of at least 4 other MPs who will know about our problems, getting your MP involved will help.
If you have any questions please feel free to ask.
Regards

Hi Onthecase,

my partner is having a meeting on 2nd Feb. I let you know how it went. Regards Onthecase2

 

[tnicol]

Hi Onthecase

I have just wrote to my local MP, so hopefully if more people do the same we may actually get somewhere!

 

[Onthecase]

Thanks to all of you who are getting involved in the complaint against T4TS supported by my MP. I have sent 5 complaints stories to my MP from other unhappy students, they have included their own MPs names, so hopefully they will become as actively involved as my MP.
Anyone else out there who is thinking of contacting their own MP, GO FOR IT!!! the more MPs we can get onboard with this the more likely we are to have some result.
If you do have a meeting or write to your MP please mention that there are other MPs that will be aware of the issue and they will then seek each other out.
Good Luck

 

[tnicol]

Thanks to all of you who are getting involved in the complaint against T4TS supported by my MP. I have sent 5 complaints stories to my MP from other unhappy students, they have included their own MPs names, so hopefully they will become as actively involved as my MP.
Anyone else out there who is thinking of contacting their own MP, GO FOR IT!!! the more MPs we can get onboard with this the more likely we are to have some result.
If you do have a meeting or write to your MP please mention that there are other MPs that will be aware of the issue and they will then seek each other out.
Good Luck

Hi

I have told my MP about our objective of getting as many local MP's involved as possible. I have attached a screen dump of our conversations to my letter, fingers crossed they will find each other. You can tell your MP that my MP is the representative of Kings Lynn and West Norfolk

 

[Plumbinator]

I have come across a site called bringtradequalified2justice on Facebook this evening. It's basically about the same thing all you guys are talking about with Train 4 Trade skills. Trade Qualified used to work with ATL, and are now known as Train A Trade or Certifi Training. Have a look at the site, even though you aren't victims of Trade Qualified, it's basically a training scheme for Sparky's and plumbers and perhaps if you all come together, you will get further. So many potential students for these rip off courses just want a better career and are duped by the sales patter. I see the moderators and members of this site have seen it over and over again and are trying to warn people, but it's not something that potential students necessarily come across. My son was a victim of this, and is a very intelligent young man, who could do the home study part just fine. It's not anything to do with how clever and competent you are, these companies take advantage and rip you off. And the story must be told on a national level so that other optimistic trainees don't get duped too. Good luck to you all.

 

[timboo]

Hiya my circumstances are slightly different in that I'm mid flow with my course and today I came to submit another module and got the message "please contact admin".
Admin was closed (office hrs) however customer services wasn't they advised me that my course had expired!!!!!
I'm still paying for it and about 2.5 yrs in, due to working full time its not been possible to work any quicker than I currently am not got a clue what admin will say tomoz, if they dont help then 3K plus will be the most expensive paper ever!!!

I'm not going to slate them just yet as not sure what the outcome will be. At this time its worth raising the issue to make others aware!

 

[jeriko303]

Hi guys, I too am having the same problem although my course was to be a renewable energy technician which would mean being a fully qualified plumber and part qualified electrician. I asked they guy that sold me the course, before I commited, if I could cancel at anytime and ha said yes they would simply stop sending me the course books.

Unfortunately after 2 months of having the course I hit some financial difficulties and needed to cancel so I called the finance company and of course they informed me that I had entered into a loan. If anything this course was mis-sold to me but these were the questions I asked so that I didnt sign a financial agreement.

The finance company basically told me tough when I informed them of this. I'm not about 13-14 months I and still want to cancel this.

I dont think that the money spent will ever be recovered but I still have hope that we could all get out of the course.


I intend to write to my MP regarding this and hope that many more do the same.

Can anyone tell me if I need to put anything specific in my letter as I want to be as thorough as possible straight away and want to avoid this sounding like a sob story.

Cheera

 

[stuartcourt]

If you are in a loan agreement offer them £2 a week until its fully paid as this is all you can afford, they cannot do anything about it other than not send you the goods, then you have reason not to pay. If they take you to court the judge will see money offered and with hold the £2 deal. Do not get bullied by these pricks they will not take you to court it cost far to much

 

[Army73]

It is completely impossible to complete this course if you hold a full time job. I signed upto this at a cost of £135 after speaking to a very convincing con-artist of a salesman. He assured me I could complete the course without taking any time from work, this I now know is not possible as it is necessary to attend the practical sessions. The tutors are not avaialble to speak as I was told they would be, after 6pm I cannot get hold of anyone, when I managed to speak to someone they simply advised me to read the books! That was not helpful at all. I have now resorted to putting this in the hands of a solicitor after numerous attempts at trying to cancel. Avoid this course at all costs, look at every other option first. Please let me know if anyone has had a similar experience.

Hi I was wondering if you had any good luck with getting sorted out with them. I failed to complete the course before it finished .i contacted them to say due to a few problems I was struggling to get on top of the course work they told me not to worry as I would be able to extend the course after the 36 months but now the 36 months has passed they now say I can't extend the course .i am now fitting to either get back on. The course or get some money back as the guarantee they offer doesn't really exist

 

[Army73]

Hiya my circumstances are slightly different in that I'm mid flow with my course and today I came to submit another module and got the message "please contact admin".
Admin was closed (office hrs) however customer services wasn't they advised me that my course had expired!!!!!
I'm still paying for it and about 2.5 yrs in, due to working full time its not been possible to work any quicker than I currently am not got a clue what admin will say tomoz, if they dont help then 3K plus will be the most expensive paper ever!!!

I'm not going to slate them just yet as not sure what the outcome will be. At this time its worth raising the issue to make others aware!

I am in the same situation and not looking good for me as they won't help and tell me the guarantee they offered in the beginning means nothing as I didn't fail the end exam .just didn't complete the full course

 

[jeriko303]

Thanks to all of you who are getting involved in the complaint against T4TS supported by my MP. I have sent 5 complaints stories to my MP from other unhappy students, they have included their own MPs names, so hopefully they will become as actively involved as my MP.
Anyone else out there who is thinking of contacting their own MP, GO FOR IT!!! the more MPs we can get onboard with this the more likely we are to have some result.
If you do have a meeting or write to your MP please mention that there are other MPs that will be aware of the issue and they will then seek each other out.
Good Luck

Hi, I wondered if you'd had any luck with you mp? Im in a similar situation with this company and was considering going to see my local mp. If possible I'd quite like the name of you mp and the area he/she serves so I can raise the name and possibly enable contact between the two.

Thanks

 

[Engent]

Hi there folks. I have been doing this t4ts course for sometime despite having reservations on it's authenticity. I had got all the way up to module 11, and about to book my first 2 weeks residential course.... Only to find that they now ask you to take an H&S exam. Ok fair enough, done Industrial H&S courses numerous times.....but now have failed 3 times on this test. You have to do it on line, with a time limit. And unlike the assignments you don't get a break down of your answers afterwards, just a pass or fail. no if's and's or but's. I sent a message to the tutors about this and was informed that they had no control over this marking as it was completely external to the course and no, sorry they couldn't help me.... BS..... that if I failed it a 4th time then I would have an opportunity to do a paper version. Ok, following this I had a week to wait before I could take the retest (they do make you wait a week before retests on this H&S thing) (again more delaying tactics). But before I could take the retest I had been blocked on their website. On calling their call centre I was informed that my account was in arrears despite having paid this course in full. That I had to call yet another 0845 number to their accounts dept.

Just google T4TS scam, and you can read others misery re T4TS courses. I don't believe for one second that I'm gonna get my money back, but I do have one thing to say to anyone thinking about a course with T4TS

Take your money elsewhere, cancel your contract, do the course somewhere they ARE registered and affiliated. None of the company's on the base of their material actually endorse their courses. The WHOLE thing is nothing more than a scam.

 

[mljc71]

Sorry you had to find out the had way! same as me! there .......

 

[mzkarim]

anyone have completed the course full scope electrician with train4tradeskills? please give me a shout. I am stuck with the course and need some serious help. I already paid the full money and do not have any idea why I did so. now need to finish this course just for the value of the money, any help is most welcome.

 

[GMES]

MzKarim I have removed your phone number so you don't get Spammed, much better to let members contact you via pm.

 

[LukasB]

I am looking for feedback on train4tradeskills,i am really worried i have been ripped off,i was recently made redundant after 15 years in retail management and decided to follow my dream of becoming an electrician,i am extremely hard working but worry that its just not possible to learn this material at home from a book,any advice help would be greatly appreciated on how i can progresss in the industry,this course has cost me 6k that i cant afford to loose!

I have enrolled to this training in 2009, now I discovered this and will ask for my money back as its scam aparently

THE SKILLSTRAIN SCAM & HOW I GOT MY REFUND - http://www.collativelearning.com/SKILLSTRAIN%20SCAM%20&%20REFUND.html

 

[LukasB]

here is officiall letter from City and Guild dated november 2009 and I bought my course in May 2009 which means they make a false endorsement as those trainings was not approved by City and Guild in this time as they advertised

 

[LukasB]

so now I will claim my money back of them, probably thru court, I would recomend You guys to double chcek is what they say is true. Its allready lots of people makes claims against them. if interested please read and watch this

THE SKILLSTRAIN SCAM & HOW I GOT MY REFUND - http://www.collativelearning.com/SKILLSTRAIN%20SCAM%20&%20REFUND.html

 

[lizo]

I really didn't like this lot, not sure what it was, wasn't too sure about the other 2 big trainers either, ended up with a company based in Sussex with a training centre near Southampton. A mate went there and raved about them, proof of the pud and all that is that he's got loads of work on some 18 months later.

Hello Steve. I've just started the course and I'm wondering have you finished it yet ?