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OllieNotts as in Nottingham, thought the clue was in the name sorry. Nottingham or Derby are both accessible
Im Spartykus, does that mean Im available in Jerusalem !!!! (lol)
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OllieNotts as in Nottingham, thought the clue was in the name sorry. Nottingham or Derby are both accessible
Im Spartykus, does that mean Im available in Jerusalem !!!! (lol)
which is NVQ3 and AMT2
Emm, I think you mean Rome :wink_smile:
they might want someone to arrive on time driving a bright sunburst yellow van, wearing a shirt and tie, do exactly what the customer wants without trying to sell add-ons such as bonding and rcd protection, then get the vacuum cleaner out and clean their house.
On this basis a customer might be more likely to recommend an 'electrician' who until 6 weeks ago spent 20 years working on the customer service desk in Marks & Spencer.
Its nothing to do with experience on the tools. Its knowledge of electrical systems. Anyone can put a ring together. The measure of a spark is when the crap hits the fan and hes got to identify a fault. This is where the electrical trainee wouldn't have a chance.Whilst I understand where a lot of the anti-Electrical Trainee rants are coming from, I think it's a little unfair to tar everyone with the same brush, just because they've not done a full JIB apprenticeship.People keep talking about the importance of being able to do the non-electrical side of the domestic business (jemmying boards, drilling joists/brickwork etc) but there are many ways to learn these skills.If someone has spent 10 years as a builder, plumber etc, they're already going to know their way around the tools. In that instance, a domestic installer course and a lot of time with the books would likely be enough for them to go into a customers house and do domestic work. Why should they be prevented from this because they've not got a JIB card?I'm going down the domestic installer route into the industry myself. I've got yonks of experience with domestic building work, plastering, plumbing etc and an engineering background.
There are a lot of customers who would like to know what kind of electrician they are employing, many of whom would rather employ a fully qualified one than one who's done a 5 week 'crash course'.well a-they dont want too,b-and they dont know...
"That's not any old electrician, that's a M&S electrician.
It's about proving it though. Someone with 10 years building experience might be good at lifting floorboards and filling in chases, but someone thinking they know it all is no reason to lower the bar. We get a lot of people coming on here thinking they're automatically an electrician because they've worked in IT for 20 years, but it doesn't work like that - they still have to take the exams and do their portfolio the same as everyone else. While some may excel at it, perhaps because they've had practice on their own home, some will realise that in fact they don't know it all, and it's better to find that out in a college than when you've gone out to represent the industry in a customer's house.Whilst I understand where a lot of the anti-Electrical Trainee rants are coming from, I think it's a little unfair to tar everyone with the same brush, just because they've not done a full JIB apprenticeship.
People keep talking about the importance of being able to do the non-electrical side of the domestic business (jemmying boards, drilling joists/brickwork etc) but there are many ways to learn these skills.
If someone has spent 10 years as a builder, plumber etc, they're already going to know their way around the tools. In that instance, a domestic installer course and a lot of time with the books would likely be enough for them to go into a customers house and do domestic work. Why should they be prevented from this because they've not got a JIB card?
I'm going down the domestic installer route into the industry myself. I've got yonks of experience with domestic building work, plastering, plumbing etc and an engineering background.
There's plenty of guys on here with City and Guilds parts 1 and 2 (or A and B if you're an oldie like me)who would struggle to get a gold card.Don't make you a better sparky though.Umm.. no sarcasm intended but is that not the JIB gold card..?
There's plenty of guys on here with City and Guilds parts 1 and 2 (or A and B if you're an oldie like me)who would struggle to get a gold card.Don't make you a better sparky though.
I may be starting to understand the new system that has appeared in the electrical industry.....
i dont think this fogs going to clear tbh
There's a qualification called the EAL Domestic Installer's Certificate which purports to teach people the standards and expectations of the building reg Part P. Idiots then decided to tell people they were part p qualified and the whole thing mushroomed from there Marvo. Fact of the matter is the qual is pretty much worthless to a proper spark.I'm glad you're understanding it UNG, I've been hanging around this forum for quite a while and I'm as confused now as the day I arrived. I honestly don't understand how Part P which as I keep reading is a building regulation of some sort is touted as an electrical qualification
I'm glad you're understanding it UNG, I've been hanging around this forum for quite a while and I'm as confused now as the day I arrived. I honestly don't understand how Part P which as I keep reading is a building regulation of some sort is touted as an electrical qualification.
To me the whole UK qualification system reminds me of calculus. I sat through weeks of it in class and it all went over my head, I was getting despondent and depressed at not understanding, then one day, for no particular reason the fog just cleared and it all made perfect sense. With the part p thing though the fog is being persistent still and showing no signs of clearing just yet.
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