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Far enough. However, the rest of his speech just keeps on repeating the same rhetoric about election fraud and the steal etc, and as previously mentioned the tweets beforehand. Enough to inspire the crowd to do what happened IMO.
I do take the point about using terms like 'fight like hell' and its use in general, but whether that was his mens rea or not, that's exactly what happened. Being a man who holds such power or did have, he should of choose his words more carefully.
When I listen to this man, I find his words both arrogant, belittling and offensive. I recall someone posting about how many conflicts previous Presidents had took their country into conflicts, whereas Trump had none. But I wonder how many achievements he's had as a President in comparison?
The speech was heavy on rhetoric and bluster, but nothing that would ordinarily be considered unusual for a politician. I'm not going to claim that some people weren't driven on by his words, but that his words certainly don't come close to incitement of violence.
The contrast with words from many of his political opponents, over the past year, is stark:
Chris Cuomo (CNN Journalist and brother of Democrat Governor of New York) speaking about antifa protesting in NY: "Show me where it says that protests are supposed to be polite and peaceful?"
Nancy Pelosi speaking at 2020 Democrat National Congress: "You've got to be ready to throw a punch."
Maxine Waters (democrat representative) addressing a crowd of supporters: "If you see anybody from that cabinet in a restaurant, in a department store, at a gasoline station, you get out and you create a crowd, and you push back on them, and you tell them they’re not welcome anymore, anywhere."
Senator Cory Brooker (democrat) addressing activists: "Get up in the face of some congress people."
Eric Holder (unsuccessful democrat candidate 2020) addressing supporters: "When they go low, we kick them. That's what this new democratic party is about."
Madonna Speaking publicly: "I have thought an awful lot about blowing up the white house."
Robert DeNero speaking about Trump on video to followers: "I'd like to punch him in the face."
Jonny Depp at public rally: "When was the last time an actor assassinated a president?"
Kamala Harris during news interview about nationwide protests: "They're not going to stop.... and nor should they."
Nancy Pelosi (speaker of the house): "I don't know why there aren't uprisings all over the country."
Senator Tim Kaine (democrat): "What we've got to do is fight in Congress, fight in the courts, fight in the streets, fight online, fight at the ballot box, and now there's the momentum to be able to do this."
The above quotes could all be considered as direct incitement to (or justification for) violence, but no one seems to be upset by them.
You mention Trump's achievements and that's something that many people refuse to acknowledge. I don't think anyone would deny many of his daft moments, but not starting a single war was unprecedented in recent times. His reigning in of North Korea would have been considered masterful if managed by anyone else. Restoration of diplomatic ties, cordial relations and direct flights between Israel and several middle eastern countries would have been rewarded with a nobel peace prize, again if it had been managed by anyone else - that process is still dividends.
Anyone who thinks that Trump was an unmitigated disaster would do well to pay attention to US foreign policy during the next four years. They'd also do well to watch employment figures in the US, but that will be heavily skewed by the pandemic.
What I'm trying to get at is that Trump wasn't an ideal president, but nor was he evil incarnate. The man bums and blows a bit, but he got stuff done for America and many other countries.
My Latin stopped after we tried bombing the Latin teacher with books above the open door on April fools day, so you'll have to guide me here.Qui bono?
As always who benefits?
That most people do not know that many Republican senators were going to use, rightfully, the counting ceremony as an opportunity to air their objections and get them on record is very telling.
The fact that this "insurrection" allowed the process to be halted and subsequently waived through without contest tell us all we need to know.
I'd have to google his achievements, think most of them were stated by someone else, including the Wall. Not sure what he achieved with North Korea, apart from a tourist trip.The speech was heavy on rhetoric and bluster, but nothing that would ordinarily be considered unusual for a politician. I'm not going to claim that some people weren't driven on by his words, but that his words certainly don't come close to incitement of violence.
The contrast with words from many of his political opponents, over the past year, is stark:
Chris Cuomo (CNN Journalist and brother of Democrat Governor of New York) speaking about antifa protesting in NY: "Show me where it says that protests are supposed to be polite and peaceful?"
Nancy Pelosi speaking at 2020 Democrat National Congress: "You've got to be ready to throw a punch."
Maxine Waters (democrat representative) addressing a crowd of supporters: "If you see anybody from that cabinet in a restaurant, in a department store, at a gasoline station, you get out and you create a crowd, and you push back on them, and you tell them they’re not welcome anymore, anywhere."
Senator Cory Brooker (democrat) addressing activists: "Get up in the face of some congress people."
Eric Holder (unsuccessful democrat candidate 2020) addressing supporters: "When they go low, we kick them. That's what this new democratic party is about."
Madonna Speaking publicly: "I have thought an awful lot about blowing up the white house."
Robert DeNero speaking about Trump on video to followers: "I'd like to punch him in the face."
Jonny Depp at public rally: "When was the last time an actor assassinated a president?"
Kamala Harris during news interview about nationwide protests: "They're not going to stop.... and nor should they."
Nancy Pelosi (speaker of the house): "I don't know why there aren't uprisings all over the country."
Senator Tim Kaine (democrat): "What we've got to do is fight in Congress, fight in the courts, fight in the streets, fight online, fight at the ballot box, and now there's the momentum to be able to do this."
The above quotes could all be considered as direct incitement to (or justification for) violence, but no one seems to be upset by them.
You mention Trump's achievements and that's something that many people refuse to acknowledge. I don't think anyone would deny many of his daft moments, but not starting a single war was unprecedented in recent times. His reigning in of North Korea would have been considered masterful if managed by anyone else. Restoration of diplomatic ties, cordial relations and direct flights between Israel and several middle eastern countries would have been rewarded with a nobel peace prize, again if it had been managed by anyone else - that process is still dividends.
Anyone who thinks that Trump was an unmitigated disaster would do well to pay attention to US foreign policy during the next four years. They'd also do well to watch employment figures in the US, but that will be heavily skewed by the pandemic.
What I'm trying to get at is that Trump wasn't an ideal president, but nor was he evil incarnate. The man bums and blows a bit, but he got stuff done for America and many other countries.
I did its in the second line, who benefits.My Latin stopped after we tried bombing the Latin teacher with books above the open door on April fools day, so you'll have to guide me here.
I don’t see why you are obsessed with the idea that all news/media etc are always wrong and providing false information. You as an individual can’t be providing the sole source of information, for the forum to believe it’s true and factual. You see this report and decide, everything in it is substantial and true.While every man and his dog in the media throw dirt at Trump, mainly for his loose lips here is a declassified investigation into the Biden's in particularly Hunter (Presidents son) while Joe Biden was Vice President for Obama.
It exposes corruption and fraud where Joe Biden was well aware and also part of the sequence of events.
The USA has now got a president that is closely linked to corruption and money laundering with foreign states while he was Vice president exposing very strong links to the CCP and in other documents we find his family in receipt of large financial sums through corrupt deals, it is no coincidence that some of the first Executive Orders Biden signed bring foreign nations in particular China back into the USA energy market reversing the independence Trump had created and why Biden shut down a pipeline link to Canada crushing 50,000 job, but of course you know that already, you saw that in the news didn't you ?????
Trump should not have ever been president as it wasn't the way it had been set up but so high was public anger at the establishment that even in the face of underhand tactics by the dem's and foreign states it still wasn't enough to stop Trump... a mistake they ensured would not happen again.
If you understand the names and the Burisma scandal you will be blown away at the level of corruption Obama and Biden were involved in, this is just a sample, it is lengthy and mentions names that you may be unfamiliar with which is key to understanding it all but for a concise conclusion go to P86
I don’t see why you are obsessed with the idea that all news/media etc are always wrong and providing false information. You as an individual can’t be providing the sole source of information, for the forum to believe it’s true and factual. You see this report and decide, everything in it is substantial and true.
If a loved is missing or something you care about, and someone tells you they’ve seen them, you want to believe them.
I read & watch the news etc and make my own decision, knowing sometimes the truth can never get in the way of a good story.
Yes but we have been let down over here for years, the BBC for starters only tell half the story as they see it, that's why I and most others look online for lots of sides of the story to build our own conclusion, and Sky is heavily Tory , so news is the same here as the USA, one thing trump is right about and that is fake news, problem is he spouts a lot of it himself as well.. Don't you feel let down at having been misled by, what should be, reliable sources of information?
I confess I’d not really listen to his speech, but I’d heard of his tweets etc before and he’d been suspended from some accounts, because he had gone too far. He told his supporters to gather on the 6th Jan, then spoke on and on about fraud election & the steal etc. Which IMO resulted in stirring hysteria and the resultant violent mob.The inference is that it was all rather convenient that two birds were killed with one stone. Also of interest is the manner in which he tells the story - not a factual summary of events, but bragging about how he dealt with little people. If that had been Trump, the video would have been headline news around the world and we'd have read headlines decrying his arrogance and alleging corruption.
I used that example to tie in with Darkwood's point about media bias, but the crux of my post was highlighting the fact that selective reporting by news outlets had left you unaware of the context of Trump's comments on January 6th. Don't you feel let down at having been misled by, what should be, reliable sources of information?
The days of pioneering investigative journalists is gone Westy.I confess I’d not really listen to his speech, but I’d heard of his tweets etc before and he’d been suspended from some accounts, because he had gone too far. He told his supporters to gather on the 6th Jan, then spoke on and on about fraud election & the steal etc. Which IMO resulted in stirring hysteria and the resultant violent mob.
But you have to confess, that the Biden You Tube thing wasn’t really what you thought it was, was it.
As I said before, if your looking for evidence to support your claim, you sometimes aren’t subjective enough. You see what you want to see.
You guys might have valid points, but you will have to leave it to the experts to investigate. Remember Nixon and the like; they don’t always get away with things.
The days of pioneering investigative journalists is gone Westy.
Today we have simpletons with humanities degrees who either quote Twitter as an authoritative source or just regurgitate Associated Press press releases.
Thats without even delving into partiality.
Yes but we have been let down over here for years, the BBC for starters only tell half the story as they see it, that's why I and most others look online for lots of sides of the story to build our own conclusion, and Sky is heavily Tory , so news is the same here as the USA, one thing trump is right about and that is fake news, problem is he spouts a lot of it himself as well.
I confess I’d not really listen to his speech, but I’d heard of his tweets etc before and he’d been suspended from some accounts, because he had gone too far. He told his supporters to gather on the 6th Jan, then spoke on and on about fraud election & the steal etc. Which IMO resulted in stirring hysteria and the resultant violent mob.
But you have to confess, that the Biden You Tube thing wasn’t really what you thought it was, was it.
As I said before, if your looking for evidence to support your claim, you sometimes aren’t subjective enough. You see what you want to see.
You guys might have valid points, but you will have to leave it to the experts to investigate. Remember Nixon and the like; they don’t always get away with things.
Maybe history will view him in a kinder light.
?I don't have Sky, but wouldn't consider Sky news to have a Conservative bias. Kay Burly and Adam Boulton are about as anti-tory as it is possible to be.
Sky UK is definitely a Rupert Murdoch pro Tory Channel and the earlier comment from nicebutdim was so hilarious I have still not stopped laughing, to suggest Adam Bolton was not a Tory is the most hilarious post I have ever seen, a brilliant bit of Comedy from the guy pmsl hahaha. as for Kay Burley she should be sacked for going to South Africa and then having to isolate when getting home for breaking the rules, the 6 month suspension is a farce, we have the BBC who are Left wing and Sky right wing, hence my comment about Fake news over here, one thing Trump has got right about the mediaSky is a funny cookie tbh, European Sky news is very EU centric and is anti-brexit and often sides with left wing policies and views, if you were to duck down under and watch Aussie Sky news then you would see reporting that reflects the long running coalition which hovers around centre right since 2013.
It's quite a contradictory affair if you watch EU Sky and Aussie Sky, you can often see the opposite in reporting direction on the same matter, if we take Trump for example, EU Sky always seem to have a negative skew on any Trump story whereas in contrast Aussie Sky has a positive skew even on the same matters.
This simple example with the same company goes a long way to show why you should never accept these news channels are balanced and unbiased, they are simply serving the biggest financiers from that area.
I doubt it, the Yanks may think it Pal but everyone else in the world will know otherwise, Biden is already back into the Climate situation with us all and is trying to get Iran back on board, he is also actually giving a rubbish about corona virus and not playing golf instead, he needs time, but surely cannot be worse than the big orange buffoon.It may not be long into the Biden administration before some realise trump wasnt that bad after all
No he is not the right guy, the USA is IMO probably one if not the most racist nation on earth, they still run buses in the south with signs saying "Coloreds only" at the back of buses and the cops shoot them in the back FFS for resisting arrest even if not armed, Trump is adored by the Whites in the USA, given the mutli national peoples there he is not the guy to unite America, I don't think that person has been born yet, far too soon for the Yanks to accept other creeds, they are 150 years behind the modern world when it comes to equality.Do I think the US needed a president such as a him ? Yes
Yes me too, I am a not a right wing thinking guy at all, however even I am appalled at how left wing the BBC has gone, it needs shutting Down or Defunding at least IMOI can remember when the BBC was renowned for its impartiality regarding news .
The news readers job was to read the news without showing any emotion ,no raised eyebrows ,no inflections, no intimations or smiles just deliver the story with no spin or directing. Allow people to draw their own conclusions as opposed being given their opinions.
Over 70 million people thought so .Not all white by a long chalk! If they are so behind that's not the fault of Trump .Obama had 2 terms to do something about it .No he is not the right guy, the USA is IMO probably one if not the most racist nation on earth, they still run buses in the south with signs saying "Coloreds only" at the back of buses and the cops shoot them in the back FFS for resisting arrest even if not armed, Trump is adored by the Whites in the USA, given the mutli national peoples there he is not the guy to unite America, I don't think that person has been born yet, far too soon for the Yanks to accept other creeds, they are 150 years behind the modern world when it comes to equality.
and 80 million voted for Biden and they were not all white, however it is fact there are a lot of Whites in the USA who love him and voted for him, cannot remember the last time a white man or woman was shot 6 or 7 times in the back whilst running away from a copper unarmed, I expect it has maybe happened but with the Black folk over there we know it happens and happens far to often, if you have been to the states you would know, and if you tell me you have and you have not noticed Blacks are racially abused over there then I won't believe you, maybe in the north near New York etc everyone is treated equally but in the south areas they are literally 150 years behind the rest of the world still in their thinking and they love trump down there, not everywhere obviously but most of the south areas.Over 70 million people thought so .Not all white by a long chalk! If they are so behind that's not the fault of Trump .Obama had 2 terms to do something about it .
Ohhh and anyone runs the risk of being shot in the back for resisting arrest in the U S.
No things will not get better as I said, IMO the right president to unite the country has not been born yet, they are still 150 years behind the rest of the modern world regarding equality, but Biden will rebuild relationships with the world in which trump destroyed, at least the US will gain some credibility back, except with Israel of course who loved Trump due to his anti Iranian views.I've been to the US several times though not to the deep south admittedly. Do you think things will dramatically get better under Biden and his vice president Harris ? There are many such incidences that dont attract the same amount of coverage of white ppl being shot for resisting arrest
and 80 million voted for Biden.....
Really? Did you post this just to get a reaction Al?To be honest Trump uplifted the credibility rating of the US as far as I'm concerned .It probably reached an all time low under Obahma .Sure he looked the part and sounded presidential enough but it was all built on sand
How does this affect pensions DW? Surley this is about shorting, if any pension funds held shares in Gamestop, which I doubt, then they were due to lose anyway if the shorters (is that a word?) were correct in their gamble in the first place. Don't forget the shorters borrowed shares hoping the value would drop, so not good for pension funds.Gamestop incident was Karma on the highest level, unfortunately so many companies are tied into that shortfall investment schemes that it effect the pensions of millions of people, the unfortunate victims here, this wasn't just about a few individuals or companies running for a steal.
This will have serious ramifications for yrs to come and may alter how company shareholding works,
Of course they, did more than any president in history.....
Are there really people that believe that 80 million people voted for Biden?
Nowt as Queer as folk as me gran used to say, she's been dead thirty years so probably voted for him herself.
I'm not sure pensions can invest in these funds..How does this affect pensions DW? Surley this is about shorting, if any pension funds held shares in Gamestop, which I doubt, then they were due to lose anyway if the shorters (is that a word?) were correct in their gamble in the first place. Don't forget the shorters borrowed shares hoping the value would drop, so not good for pension funds.
Probably, there has been fraud since God was a lad.And exactly the same could be said of Trump.
Your Gran probably voted for both of them.
There was no evidence of any substance presented to say that Biden votes were fraudulent.
However no-one looked to see if any of the votes for Trump were fraudulent.
There could have been millions of fake votes for Trump, there certainly was something going on in Florida, where Trump won.
Have a search for Shadow candidates.
I'd put big money on it! Slowing the postal service, removal of drop off boxes, intimidation at the polling stations, thugs baying at the windows of the vote counting stations - these are just some of the things they didn't even try to hide.There could have been millions of fake votes for Trump, there certainly was something going on in Florida, where Trump won.
Thanks GB but I know how shorting works, I just don't believe anyone shorting a company like Gamestop will have any discernible on pension funds. I don't think your explanation does it for me.I'm not sure pensions can invest in these funds..
..however when the short seller makes a position he borrows a share at its current value, say $10, and has a set period of time to give that share back.
So, when he receives the shares, say 1,000,000 he sells them to realise the money but it is shares he owes not money. When his position closes he has to return the shares.
Hopefully, over the agreed period, the share price has fallen and our trader simply buys the number of shares he owes and hands them back, pocketing the difference.
Now, in the case of GameStop the price has been driven up hugely, $450, and in order to cover his position our trader needs to find 450,000,000 to but the shares he owes.
In order to do this our trader now has to go to his boss, explain how fu**ed they are and liquidate other assets to raise the funds.
These other assets will have downward pressures on other stock prices that safer institutions, pension pots, will hold.
So, yes it will have an effect on pensions...
...but since the boomers pulled the ladder up after them and most of these nerds don't have pensions then they really don't care.
Karma.
Sky UK is definitely a Rupert Murdoch pro Tory Channel and the earlier comment from nicebutdim was so hilarious I have still not stopped laughing, to suggest Adam Bolton was not a Tory is the most hilarious post I have ever seen, a brilliant bit of Comedy from the guy pmsl hahaha. as for Kay Burley she should be sacked for going to South Africa and then having to isolate when getting home for breaking the rules, the 6 month suspension is a farce, we have the BBC who are Left wing and Sky right wing, hence my comment about Fake news over here, one thing Trump has got right about the media
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