Wiring for 14kw range oven

[Simon386]

have had a range oven installed by electricians from kitchen fitting company and has been wired in 10mm SWA externally and then 16mm to cooler. Is this a massive case of over doing it?? Cable is obviously too big for cooker terminals and been crimped at the outlet!! Anyway, pulled oven out today and there was a small bang and a puff of smoke! Have looked at cooker terminals and as the size of the 16mm is far too big the live has come loose and touched the oven housing, now the oven only works on two rings and the rest doesn’t work at all, cooked electronic circuits I suspect. Thoughts anyone as to who’s to blame???

 

[Ian1981]

The guy who connected the 16mm to the oven but who in the right mind would attempt to wire 16mm to an oven??
Are you sure it’s not 10mm to the cooker?

 

[Octopus]

What does the certificate say about the cable sizes?

 

[buzzlightyear]

What does the certificate say about the cable sizes?

big!

 

[The Ghost]

Electrician installing the items. Is this commercial?

 

[Squid]

Thoughts anyone as to who’s to blame???

The person pulling the oven out without killing the power to it.

 

[telectrix]

so,,,fetch the buggers back. threaten a law suit, make them put their bollox up right. ssssimplesss.

 

[Squid]

so,,,fetch the buggers back. threaten a law suit, make them put their bollox up right. ssssimplesss.

You on the sauce?

 

[Simon386]

It’s d

The guy who connected the 16mm to the oven but who in the right mind would attempt to wire 16mm to an oven??
Are you sure it’s not 10mm to the cooker?

It’s definitley 16mm, they’ve even run a 10mm swa externally all round the house as they said it was necessary?? Bonkers!! Don’t want to have to go through this every time I pull out the oven!!

 

[Octopus]

Is this domestic or commercial?

 

[Simon386]

No do

Electrician installing the items. Is this commercial?

no domestic, think they got a bit confused??

 

[Simon386]

The person pulling the oven out without killing the power to it.

I know, school boy error, but would’ve come across same outcome once put back and turned on supply. Surely that’s not right? Cooker terminals not designed to take large cables

 

[Octopus]

Ok.

What paperwork did they give you?

 

[buzzlightyear]

no domestic, think they got a bit confused??

no spark would put a 16mm
on 10mm SWA cable ,were they brits that did that ?

 

[Simon386]

Yes they were

no spark would put a 16mm
on 10mm SWA cable ,were they brits that did that ?

brits, 3 of them! Sub contractors from kitchen installers

 

[Simon386]

Ok.

What paperwork did they give you?

No paperwork as it’s a housing association house, so not employed by myself either. Just came home from work and found this gargantuan cable connected to oven!!

 

[buzzlightyear]

brits, 3 of them! Sub contractors from kitchen installers

you need to speak to the kitchen company that fitted the kitchen.

 

[Simon386]

you need to speak to the kitchen company that fitted the kitchen.

I intend to in the morning, waiting for the blame game and passing the buck!!

 

[Octopus]

I intend to in the morning, waiting for the blame game and passing the buck!!

Presumably the housing association will be your 1st call ....

Muppet installers like this need to be held to account. 6mm may have been enough for the circuit.

 

[buzzlightyear]

brits, 3 of them! Sub contractors from kitchen installers

so three of them ,one to make the tea second to hold the screw driver the third
to make the cockup.

 

[Simon386]

I

Presumably the housing association will be your 1st call ....

Muppet installers like this need to be held to account. 6mm may have been enough for the circuit.

It makes me raging angry, been out the game 25+ years and at 44 have tried to get back into it, no one willing to give an old git a chance as yet! Just infuriated me that there’s people out there doing it badly, even with my long absence it’s seems I’ve forgotten more than they know!!

 

[Squid]

A housing association place with a 14KW range cooker and I have my own place in London with a crappy 15 year old gas cooker, f!!ck me sideways and some more get the tallow out as I must have failed in life......

Rant over, thread back to normal.

 

[Squid]

I know, school boy error, but would’ve come across same outcome once put back and turned on supply. Surely that’s not right? Cooker terminals not designed to take large cables

Yeah its a sh!t but you'll end up taking the flack, I have realised there are no charity cases you charge market rates to fund the consequences of any mistakes.

 

[MJPD29]

Turn your oven off next one you pull it out

 

[Ian1981]

If an oven is going to be subject to vibration or constant movement then it should be wired in flexible cable.

 

[Wilko]

Always a risk to diagnose from afar, but the Three Amigos weren't alerted by the size of the fitting on the oven, the manufacturer's instructions or their own diversity calcs.
Perhaps it just went pop?

 

[Octopus]

It makes me raging angry, been out the game 25+ years and at 44 have tried to get back into it,

Please forgive my maths but your numbers suggest you were "in the game" from 16 to 19" - so only 3 years ....

 

[Pete999]

Yes they were

brits, 3 of them! Sub contractors from kitchen installers

Were the 3 Guys all Electricians? or were they all (Kevins) kitchen fitters? or even worse (Jacks) of all trades? seems the later would be my choice.

 

[Squid]

Just realised its our place and someone put the kitchen/cooker in. Put it all back as it was and phone the HA and complain the cookers not working.
I feel better now re reading this in the morning as its seems my 15 year old gas cooker works better than modern electric sh!te ;o))))))

 

[telectrix]

our elec. oven was fitted in 1997, had 1 new element fitted (by me), otherwise trouble free. the gas hob came from a customer's kitchen strip-out. also fitted by me (don't tell gas safe). better than all the new crap on sale now.