Wiring for 14kw range oven

[Simon386]

have had a range oven installed by electricians from kitchen fitting company and has been wired in 10mm SWA externally and then 16mm to cooler. Is this a massive case of over doing it?? Cable is obviously too big for cooker terminals and been crimped at the outlet!! Anyway, pulled oven out today and there was a small bang and a puff of smoke! Have looked at cooker terminals and as the size of the 16mm is far too big the live has come loose and touched the oven housing, now the oven only works on two rings and the rest doesn’t work at all, cooked electronic circuits I suspect. Thoughts anyone as to who’s to blame???

 

[Ian1981]

The guy who connected the 16mm to the oven but who in the right mind would attempt to wire 16mm to an oven??
Are you sure it’s not 10mm to the cooker?

 

[Octopus]

What does the certificate say about the cable sizes?

 

[buzzlightyear]

What does the certificate say about the cable sizes?

big!

 

[The Ghost]

Electrician installing the items. Is this commercial?

 

[Squid]

Thoughts anyone as to who’s to blame???

The person pulling the oven out without killing the power to it.

 

[telectrix]

so,,,fetch the buggers back. threaten a law suit, make them put their bollox up right. ssssimplesss.

 

[Squid]

so,,,fetch the buggers back. threaten a law suit, make them put their bollox up right. ssssimplesss.

You on the sauce?

 

[Simon386]

It’s d

The guy who connected the 16mm to the oven but who in the right mind would attempt to wire 16mm to an oven??
Are you sure it’s not 10mm to the cooker?

It’s definitley 16mm, they’ve even run a 10mm swa externally all round the house as they said it was necessary?? Bonkers!! Don’t want to have to go through this every time I pull out the oven!!

 

[Octopus]

Is this domestic or commercial?

 

[Simon386]

No do

Electrician installing the items. Is this commercial?

no domestic, think they got a bit confused??

 

[Simon386]

The person pulling the oven out without killing the power to it.

I know, school boy error, but would’ve come across same outcome once put back and turned on supply. Surely that’s not right? Cooker terminals not designed to take large cables

 

[Octopus]

Ok.

What paperwork did they give you?

 

[buzzlightyear]

no domestic, think they got a bit confused??

no spark would put a 16mm
on 10mm SWA cable ,were they brits that did that ?

 

[Simon386]

Yes they were

no spark would put a 16mm
on 10mm SWA cable ,were they brits that did that ?

brits, 3 of them! Sub contractors from kitchen installers

 

[Simon386]

Ok.

What paperwork did they give you?

No paperwork as it’s a housing association house, so not employed by myself either. Just came home from work and found this gargantuan cable connected to oven!!

 

[buzzlightyear]

brits, 3 of them! Sub contractors from kitchen installers

you need to speak to the kitchen company that fitted the kitchen.

 

[Simon386]

you need to speak to the kitchen company that fitted the kitchen.

I intend to in the morning, waiting for the blame game and passing the buck!!

 

[Octopus]

I intend to in the morning, waiting for the blame game and passing the buck!!

Presumably the housing association will be your 1st call ....

Muppet installers like this need to be held to account. 6mm may have been enough for the circuit.

 

[buzzlightyear]

brits, 3 of them! Sub contractors from kitchen installers

so three of them ,one to make the tea second to hold the screw driver the third
to make the cockup.

 

[Simon386]

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Presumably the housing association will be your 1st call ....

Muppet installers like this need to be held to account. 6mm may have been enough for the circuit.

It makes me raging angry, been out the game 25+ years and at 44 have tried to get back into it, no one willing to give an old git a chance as yet! Just infuriated me that there’s people out there doing it badly, even with my long absence it’s seems I’ve forgotten more than they know!!

 

[Squid]

A housing association place with a 14KW range cooker and I have my own place in London with a crappy 15 year old gas cooker, f!!ck me sideways and some more get the tallow out as I must have failed in life......

Rant over, thread back to normal.

 

[Squid]

I know, school boy error, but would’ve come across same outcome once put back and turned on supply. Surely that’s not right? Cooker terminals not designed to take large cables

Yeah its a sh!t but you'll end up taking the flack, I have realised there are no charity cases you charge market rates to fund the consequences of any mistakes.

 

[MJPD29]

Turn your oven off next one you pull it out

 

[Ian1981]

If an oven is going to be subject to vibration or constant movement then it should be wired in flexible cable.

 

[Wilko]

Always a risk to diagnose from afar, but the Three Amigos weren't alerted by the size of the fitting on the oven, the manufacturer's instructions or their own diversity calcs.
Perhaps it just went pop?

 

[Octopus]

It makes me raging angry, been out the game 25+ years and at 44 have tried to get back into it,

Please forgive my maths but your numbers suggest you were "in the game" from 16 to 19" - so only 3 years ....

 

[Pete999]

Yes they were

brits, 3 of them! Sub contractors from kitchen installers

Were the 3 Guys all Electricians? or were they all (Kevins) kitchen fitters? or even worse (Jacks) of all trades? seems the later would be my choice.

 

[Squid]

Just realised its our place and someone put the kitchen/cooker in. Put it all back as it was and phone the HA and complain the cookers not working.
I feel better now re reading this in the morning as its seems my 15 year old gas cooker works better than modern electric sh!te ;o))))))

 

[telectrix]

our elec. oven was fitted in 1997, had 1 new element fitted (by me), otherwise trouble free. the gas hob came from a customer's kitchen strip-out. also fitted by me (don't tell gas safe). better than all the new crap on sale now.

 

[Midwest]

Our dual fuel oven was fitted in 2009. It's had 3 replacement main elements (I've got a forth collecting dust in the garage), 2 sets of door hinges, 2 circulation fan thermostats & zillions of light bulbs. It's time was up, when we had to wedge a stool against it, to keep the door properly shut. Gas hobs were faultless

 

[Midwest]

Our dual fuel oven was fitted in 2009. It's had 3 replacement main elements (I've got a forth collecting dust in the garage), 2 sets of door hinges, 2 circulation fan thermostats & zillions of light bulbs. It's time was up, when we had to wedge a stool against it, to keep the door properly shut. Gas hobs were faultless

 

[Squid]

Turn your oven off next one you pull it out

The oven wasn't cooking a roast when it was pulled out........

 

[PEG]

Turn your oven off next one you pull it out

I have just read the "disagree" on this post,and are bursting to hear the logic,of removing an appliance,for the first time,and not isolating the supply.

I can only think of two possible scenarios...and one of them,is where the person removing it,is entirely made of paxolin...

 

[telectrix]

The oven wasn't cooking a roast when it was pulled out........

nope. it was roasting a cook.

 

[PEG]

If an oven is going to be subject to vibration or constant movement then it should be wired in flexible cable.

Fair comment,but the only "constant movement" it encountered,was the single,1 meter travel,backwards,whilst connected to a live and sizeable supply,of unknown soundness

 

[Midwest]

Mine was wired in flex, due to the amount of times I had to pull it out to replace things.

 

[Octopus]

I normally do the final connection in HR flex ...........

 

[Squid]

our elec. oven was fitted in 1997, had 1 new element fitted (by me), otherwise trouble free. the gas hob came from a customer's kitchen strip-out. also fitted by me (don't tell gas safe). better than all the new crap on sale now.

Mrs Telectrix has just posted on Mumsnet (thats where I meet lonely housewives for daytime fun) that her husband installed a cooker in 1997 and her husband still doesn't know how to turn it on, or her.
;o))))

 

[telectrix]

why would i want to turn the oven on when she's there to do it. as for the last bit, i've kept her happy for 11 years, 3 times a week, she always has this look. .

 

[Squid]

I keep her happy for the other four days and the day she leaves with the instructions for the cooker you'll starve....... ;o))))

 

[Midwest]

I normally do the final connection in HR flex ...........

See what your inuendo did and turned this thread into

 

[Midwest]

Could of been worse I suppose, could of used butyl rubber.

 

[telectrix]

I keep her happy for the other four days and the day she leaves with the instructions for the cooker you'll starve....... ;o))))

sod off i got a microwave and a commercial chip fryer. plus a chippy and a kebab shop within half a mile. who needs women to cook.

 

[Midwest]

sod off i got a microwave and a commercial chip fryer. plus a chippy and a kebab shop within half a mile. who needs women to cook.

If they do cook for you, they're only after one thing. Thankfully, all those frightfully embarrassing moments are far behind me now.

Where's me pipe & smoking jacket.

 

[MJPD29]

I'd love to know where the disagree came from myself, it seems like basic common sense to me

I have just read the "disagree" on this post,and are bursting to hear the logic,of removing an appliance,for the first time,and not isolating the supply.

I can only think of two possible scenarios...and one of them,is where the person removing it,is entirely made of paxolin...

 

[Spoon]

Whats wrong with cooking? I love cooking. I even wash up.......

 

[Squid]

Pot noodle doesn't count as cooking Spoon........ ;o))))))

 

[telectrix]

i'm getting fed up with not poodle. going to try spiced spaniel next.

 

[Spoon]

Pot noodle doesn't count as cooking Spoon........ ;o))))))

How about beans on toast?