Working in domestic properties

[Manutd4life]

Hope this is in the right place.

I mainly work on commercial properties, new build and refurbs and I'm looking to go into the domestic side. Nothing too big just something to too my wages up, just something that I can complete over a weekend. I'm just wondering what exactly I need. I know I need Part P, I'm clear on that one even though I think it's ridiculous that I need it but that's another thread. Do I need my testing and inspection to sign off my work?
Do I need to sign up the NIC to get test sheets or can I get the elsewhere?
Once a rest sheet is done, do I give it to the customer and let building regs/local council have a copy too?

Thanks

 

[Octopus]

And to add to the above, I still don't register every job that I do!
My good friend the plumber and his lads can get through 4/5 boilers in a week, I wire all of the ones that they can't do themselves (so that's every one which isn't an exact like for like swap)
As far as ELECSA know I ain't ever done a boiler since I registered with them!

Strangely enough I still haven't heard the sound of the part P police's sirens hurtling towards me!

Why would you notify wiring a boiler?

 

[davesparks]

Did they take CH heating controls off of the list of notifiables then? It's still an option on the job registration form thingy.

 

[Andy78]

Did they take CH heating controls off of the list of notifiables then? It's still an option on the job registration form thingy.

New circuits, work within zones of a bathroom, CU changes. That's about the upshot of notifiable work in England now. The rest of the house is fair game for anyone. Not exactly it's intended purpose eh ? which is why it is less relevant now than ever.

 

[Guest77]

The new circuit bit makes me laugh out loud. You can leave the 2 legs from the existing kitchen ring in place and add another 50 mtrs of brand new cable onto the circuit, yet because the 2 little short lengths of original ring is old it isn't notificationable, what a farce.

 

[ipf]

The new circuit bit makes me laugh out loud. You can leave the 2 legs from the existing kitchen ring in place and add another 50 mtrs of brand new cable onto the circuit, yet because the 2 little short lengths of original ring is old it isn't notificationable, what a farce.

Absolutely. Notifiable though, Mike.

 

[uksparks]

I think my only argument would be, ok I know it's a rip off etc being in a scam, but doing electrical work and not notifying jobs if that's what you plan to not do is kind of like taking a crap on the people who do pay and notify because you are too tight to pay the scam.

Dont take this the wrong way, I agree it's a joke etc, but I guess being an idiot who pays the scam, I'd rather everyone did so I don't feel lke I'm paying a loosing battle as it were, it's a bit like saying I'll sort your boiler because I'm capable, but I'm not corgi registered, kind of gets the back up of the registered people as you are just doing it without a care for your fellow trades people.

Sorry if this reads badly, not sure how to word it, I think either everyone should be in a scam, or they should not, non of this inbetween, being a fee payer, naturally I'm going to defend the idea of being with a scam.

 

[uksparks]

I'm not suggesting being in a scam makes you competent, just saying like with gas, obviously people who at corgi registered don't want to see people going round doing gas work who are not registered despite their abilities, I hve the same view but for electrics.

 

[davesparks]

Corgi is dead and buried, it was a corrupt mess so they got rid of it and formed the gas safe register.
This is in essence what we want to happen to the scams.

There is no comparison between the scams and gas safe. It is illegal to do gas work without being registered and the penalty is a prison sentence. Equally the penalty for doing dangerous work even when registered can be a prison sentence.

The scams however are a few different organisations operating in only part of the industry and pretty much encourage incompetent people to think they are competent and then do nothing about dangerous situations.


Exactly how much have the scams you are defending doing about that install you recently posted pictures of?

 

[telectrix]

if all qualified sparks refused to renew with the scams and carried on installing and not notifying, as long as the work was to regs. and safe, how many prosecutions do you think there would be? councils won't want to pay the costs of taking thousands to court. if we all made a stance, the scams would die.

 

[GLENNSPARK]

i`v said it before and i`ll say it again:

you do your 3 years at college + your time on site.
you get your NVQ3...

anything less and pis off home.....you aint coming in...

 

[ReWired]

That was silly, I would have taken it on and worried about building control afterwards, let the customer pay for that, it is after all their responsibility.

I know, but had to safer than sorry too cause it was a shower which is defo a notifiable job

 

[davesparks]

You say safer than sorry but what exactly are you safer from?
If you have done the job correctly and safely then there is nothing they can do to you.
If you have done the job incorrectly/dangerously then no amount of registration, notification or paperwork will stop someone dying.

 

[Richard Burns]

If you have done the job correctly and safely then there is nothing they can do to you.

Since it is a provision of the building regulations to notify specific work then this applies:

Building Act 1984
Breach of building regulations
35. If a person contravenes any provision contained in building regulations, other than a provision designated in the regulations as one to which this section does not apply, he is liable on summary conviction to a fine not exceeding level 5 on the standard scale and to a further fine not exceeding £50 for each day on which the default continues after he is convicted.

 

[ReWired]

You say safer than sorry but what exactly are you safer from?
If you have done the job correctly and safely then there is nothing they can do to you.
If you have done the job incorrectly/dangerously then no amount of registration, notification or paperwork will stop someone dying.

What I'm saying is that safer than sorry, rather than you complete a job and then the client gets a fine months later cause you didn't notify the job.

 

[davesparks]

Ok, who is going to give them a fine? Do the part P police have a radar van for detecting new fuseboards that haven't been notified?

 

[Gavin A]

Since it is a provision of the building regulations to notify specific work then this applies:

Building Act 1984
Breach of building regulations
35. If a person contravenes any provision contained in building regulations, other than a provision designated in the regulations as one to which this section does not apply, he is liable on summary conviction to a fine not exceeding level 5 on the standard scale and to a further fine not exceeding £50 for each day on which the default continues after he is convicted.

That's up to a £5k fine.

Nice little earner for a hard up building control department if they figure out what's going on and decide to do something about it.

 

[davesparks]

How exactly is a hard up building control department going to find out about an in-notified electrical job?
And how exactly are they going to fund a prosecution for having electrical work done which is safe and carried out to the best possible standards?
I can't imagine a judge handing out a £5K fine to somebody as punishment for having their electrical installation improved by a professional!

 

[Knobhead]

if we all made a stance, the scams would die.

I wish you the best of luck Don Quixote

 

[telectrix]

to misquote kenneth williams " apathy, apathy, they've all got the apathy".

 

[Engineer54]

Unfortunately in the UK the law has always been an ---!!