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Stuff that for a lark.you know me pete. a 6.00 am.dip in the Mersey does wonders for my sarcastic humour.
Nerys Hughes wasn't it along with some other Bird can't think of her nameno larks in the Mersey, only Liver Birds.
Yeah Righti meant these pair.they sit on top of the Liver Building all day, but if you are patient, around 6.00a.m. and 10.00p.m.they fly down for a swim. it's a bit suicidal because they're made of bronze.
With all due respect Murdoch,Back to the op, at the week end the EU negotiator told a group of people, off the record, in Italy that he was going to punish the UK and educate us ........
I've yet to hear him clarify what he meant or deny it ........
don't worry about Italy, they'll change sides in a year or so.Back to the op, at the week end the EU negotiator told a group of people, off the record, in Italy that he was going to punish the UK and educate us ........
I've yet to hear him clarify what he meant or deny it ........
I have more to add
My opinion thats been rated 8 to 2 in favour of dislike of my post,it seems to be a true reflection of this forums overall rejection of the Eu by a large majority
Whilst I have not changed my own stance one bit,I do have some thoughts that may not be so contencious
Its all to do with the latest rantings of the man who I believe is mainly responsible for the majority vote to leave the Eu,one Tony Blair
It was he who caused one of the main issues that has divided the UK
In a selfish and very damaging way he opened the door to a worldwide increase in immigration that has repercussions to this day,all done so that the new labour vote would likely increase on the back of these new arrivals and secure his type of socialism for a generation,it backfired spectacularly
The referendum was a democratic vote where the majority held a different view to my own, I accept that for the will of the people of the UK and can go along with that choice that was made
What I find annoying is to read this fake socialist in the news dishing out ideas that he thinks will sort out the problem,when it was himself that caused the problem in his time in office
His failings in this and his lap dog stance with the American president in foreign conflicts makes him the last person for anyone to take heed
He needs to shut up,enjoy the fortune he has amassed on the back of a working mans party and maybe emigrate himself
Trigering artical 50 was about the UK leaving the EU, nothing else. Trade deals are a seperate thing entirely, we requested early talks on our trading relationship with the EU and as it would be to the EUs benifit as well as the UKs the EU agreed to early talks as long as sufficient progress had been made in the exit negotions, mainly the settlement figure, EUs citizens rights and the Irish border. This has not happened.The current stalemate that the negotiations have hit doesn't appear to help either side and the hard line no room for movement stance of the EU isn't helping when trying to find a solution.
I suppose the question that needs answering is what would a no deal exit mean for both sides and which one has more to lose.
With all the media speculation and the endless number of so called experts wheeled out to bolster all sides of the remain / leave, soft / hard / no deal brexit it is difficult filter out the real facts from the speculative scare fiction that is being pedalled, On that March day in 2019 will things just stop, pre the new millennium, the millennium bug was going to bring the world to a grinding halt on the stroke of new years day did that happen no, so to 2019 is the brexit bug going to bring things to a grinding halt between the UK and EU especially if there is no deal I doubt it, it will probably not be all plain sailing but businesses will adapt on both sides.
I think the EU has more to lose with a no deal as it will need to very quickly need to sort out it's budget having lost a major contributor to the coffers, in the short to medium term the 27 remaining states will have a job on to keep the EU together as pressure is put on their own budgets in order to prop up the EU and in the more prosperous states where most of the burden is likely to fall the populous may begin to question the value of the EU
There is more to brexit than the UK leaving the EU and it seems the EU leaders have their fingers in their ears and their eyes closed, with the current situation should the UK withdraw from the negotiations in my opinion at this moment it would have to be yes as much as we need a trade deal with the EU they need a trade deal with the UK, the EU needs to set out it's position as much as the UK needs to.
Negotiation is normally undertaken to find a middle ground consensus, something that the EU's negotiator Barnier and his bosses seem to have overlooked with their demands
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