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Hi all,

I have an unusual issue with a recent rewire I have just completed which I hope you guys can assist with.
For background, this is a complete strip out and rewire of a domestic property (bungalow) with an unusual but appropriate reference method.
For this rewire, due to the fact that it is a bungalow with easy loft access and zero insulation installed, I opted for reference method E (perforated tray) with a mix of Klik roses and Klik lighting distribution units used for the lighting which has worked extremely well in this case as the homeowner wanted to maximise loft space which we have certainly achieved here.
Anyway, the issue I am having is on one of the lighting circuits where I am getting 20v between N-CPC - N-SwL - Swl - CPC when the switch is in the open position.

All voltages between L - N, L - CPC, N - CPC are correct when the switch is in the closed position.
To me, this indicates either a loose connection or high resistive joint but I have checked everything and all appears in good order.
I have turned all circuits off except the offending circuit with no effect.
Due to the reference method used, I can see all conductors and can trace them for damage easily and all wiring within the walls is contained within oval trunking with no pictures hung within the prescribed zones.

Have I missed something obvious here? I have my NICEIC assessment coming up soon and wold like to use this property for assessment purposes but until this unusual fault is found, I obviously cannot do that.

Mike
 
Are your IR tests all clear?
Is this actually causing any issues with any normal test results or causing LED lamps to stay on, flicker or flash?
If you have lots of cable in parallel on cable tray could this simply be induced voltage?
 
Are your IR tests all clear?
Is this actually causing any issues with any normal test results or causing LED lamps to stay on, flicker or flash?
If you have lots of cable in parallel on cable tray could this simply be induced voltage?
All IR testing comes back ok and, because I can easily remove loads, I can happily test between live conductors too which further confirms the solidity of the results.
There are no anomalies with the lighting at all (all LED) and this does not seem to be affecting the standard lighting.

Agree on induced voltage due to the tray work but when I open all other circuits, the 20v remains on this circuit.

The DNO have recently removed a looped connection to this property, could that be a contributing factor?

I have never seen this before in over 20 years so I'm at a loss really.
 
I'm going back on Thursday so I think I will have to go back to basics and start from scratch by splitting the circuit down bit by bit.
Sounds like a plan. Though I'm not (yet) convinced there is actually a problem, induced voltage from 2 way lighting strappers is fairly common, also from bathroom fan 3 core. I don't usually even measure this!
The DNO have recently removed a looped connection to this property, could that be a contributing factor?
Earthing type? It doesn't sound like a DNO issue if you are not seeing it on other circuits.
 
Sounds like a plan. Though I'm not (yet) convinced there is actually a problem, induced voltage from 2 way lighting strappers is fairly common, also from bathroom fan 3 core. I don't usually even measure this!

Earthing type? It doesn't sound like a DNO issue if you are not seeing it on other circuits.
I'm relieved really that you don't seem to think of it as something to be concerned about! :)

I hate little issues like this as it can plant a seed of doubt in your mind regardless of your level of experience!
I delayed messaging on here as I assumed I would be ridiculed for not knowing what the issue was so I'm happy that's not the case here!!

I appreciate your input and will post back with my findings once I have re-tested the wiring.

Mike
 
What are you measuring the voltage with?

Its most likely capacitive coupling is the reason for the voltage reading, try using a meter with a lower input impedance or connecting a resistance across it and see what you get.
 
What are you measuring the voltage with?

Its most likely capacitive coupling is the reason for the voltage reading, try using a meter with a lower input impedance or connecting a resistance across it and see what you get.
Hi Dave.

Can you explain to me what capacitive coupling is? Is it an electromagnetic effect?

I'm using my Megger MFT on its voltage setting. I only saw it by chance whilst double checking the switch wiring was correctly terminated.
I then freaked out a bit as it is a brand new system. :D
 

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