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  1. Pete999
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    Reading back through some of the posts, this Electrician isn't one you employed, but one the Agent employed, a stitch up methinks Holmes, a stitchup
     
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  2. surreygirl
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    I agree but I do not have the time to find another electrician I tried rated people and three people came back to me but despite my ringing them I did not get a reply from either except a very nice lady electrician but she was unable to give me a certificate of safety. I suppose I do agree that if he cannot see the cable going from the main box which is outside the flat and the cable from my outside meter runs to the economy 7 which is just in front of the main outside meter and then he is going to run another cable to the meter in the kitchen which has lights cooker shower etc on it. He wants to put a notice in the bathroom that the shower switch is in the kitchen and there are a few wires - not many - that he is going to trunk and then he is going to change the fuses on the underfloor heating. What I do not understand is the price! £2,100 however when he says that if he cannot see the cable he cannot tell if it is safe or not I suppose as far as that is concerned that is true!

    I really do not know what to think. I wish I had found an electrician before I let the Agent use his, but I want to thank you all for your advice he has agreed to lower the price based on what you guys told me I was able to question him on the things he was doing, the length of time it would take and the price he was charging, so at least the price is coming down however I do not know by how much based on the invoice he gave me it was 410 pounds to trunk the wiring etc and 1,600 to run a cable from the lounge into the kitchen! He will have to go through the wall obviously but the economy 7 box is in the lounge so he is running a wire from there along the ceiling into the kitchen.
     
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    I would love to say I would be willing, providing my travel costs were met to come visit, but it would be a waste as I am not registered with a CPScheme.

    Surely there are Electrical contractors in your area, apart from rated people.

    If he has agreed to lower the price because of what people on this forum has said, that must tell you something

    That list I gave you in an earlier post must have yielded some hits for you to try.

    Tell the Agent, "Electrician" and Tenant, that you will find an Electrician, who could carry out and EICR, and tell Burke and Hare to do one, you will get the certificate requested by your tenant, but it may take a while until you find someone reputable, when you do don't tell him what has been said, let him form his own opinion, make sure you get someone who belongs to a CPScheme NICEIC, NAPIT, ELECSA or one of the others there are a few more about.
     
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    pete. i have to disagree with you on that post. (only the last bit).you don't need to be in a scam (scheme) such as NICEIC etc. to carry out EICRs. or to do non-notifiable/ remedial work.

    @OP. surely you have friends or relatives that have dealt with electricians and can recommend them.
     
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    I agree [email protected] , tell this 'electrician' to do one, don't have him do any work and I'd be looking to get a different managing agent.

    What I will say is... you only have to be competent @Pete999@Pete999 , you don't need to be a member of a scheme to carry out an EICR.

    As for his BS about not being able to tell whether the cables are safe... without seeing it, I feel that it is as I've stated, complete BS. If there are no signs of thermal damage where the cables are visible or at their terminations, and you can test them electrically for safety, there is no reason to not issue a certificate... ffs, if that was the case, no one would be issuing certificates and all our wiring would be surface mounted to allow inspection. He's trying to pull a fast one, plain and simple IMHO.
     
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    "That list I gave you in an earlier post must have yielded some hits for you to try"

    Yes it did. Thank you very much. It is too late now as I must go back to Spain on Wednesday and I am afraid of safety as he says the underfloor heating has the wrong fuses in!

    I think for now the grey trunking is safe, but I am afraid when the tenant uses the underfloor heating.

    Yes what you said was a great help. I wrote it all down and questioned him on it and it just turns out that all he is doing is trunking a few wires in grey changing a switch, putting up a note to say the switch for the shower is in the kitchen and that is it! Then the other work he is doing is running the wire from the outside meter - the one you read - to the economy 7 which is in the lounge and the kitchen which is next door to the lounge! The main meter is directly behind the economy 7 meter. The wiring to that would be about four feet and then about 13 feet to the meter in the kitchen.

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    Yes Tel, you are right of course, I realised that after I posted, still don't have all the equipment now, sorry OP for misleading you.
     
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  8. Pete999
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    This time the cowboy didn't bite the dust then?
     
  9. surreygirl
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    I wish I did but I live in Spain not the UK and have only come over for a few weeks to sort things out for the new tenant moving in. If I had known this was going to happen I would have sorted out an electrician over the internet before I arrivaed but I could not envisage a £2100k bill in a million years.
     
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  11. Pete999
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    Been told off already SC don't you start as well, please I've been to Tesco aint that punishment, already.
     
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    bet you came out with a few bottles of red,though.:confused:
     
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    1 or 6 Tel cheaper that way 25% off can't be bad, can it?
     
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    Any super market on a Friday afternoon... you have my sympathies dear :)
     
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    Thanks SC, but unless you have been shopping with Mrs Pete999 you have absolutely no idea of the torment I go through every Friday, it's like pulling teeth whilst undergoing open heart surgery without an anesthetic.
     
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    Obviously I've not been shopping with your wife, but I've heard enough complaints from Mum and Dad about each other whilst shopping to be able to get a handle on the torment people go through :)
     
  17. Pete999
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    Torment, torment you wait SC your turn will come.
     
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    our local Aldi is better because Toolstation is only 100 yards away. and there's a brilliant butty bar on the car park.
     
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    Our Tesco has Subway, Jennies, Burger king, Maccy dees, and the best bit some fly by night flea pit in the car park, a wonderful choice, what would yours be?
     
  20. surreygirl
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    Well whilst you have all been busy at the supermarkets I have had a reply from the Agent after asking why the wires cannot be checked and this is what the Agent has now come up with and says

    "It is not that the wire can’t be checked as it’s in the wall it’s that the wire used can only go 3 meters and at both ends are different there must be a join and he needs to test the join"

    I do not understand that at all or why they think that there is a join. As some one has said I have to find another electrician!
     
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    Not if I stay single it won't.

    Subway if I'm feeling healthy or Burger King if I'm feeling hungry for a Whopper :)
     
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    The wire used can go much further than that because you can buy it in big reels. So yet more BS.

    However, the 3m limit is guidance from the distribution network operators regarding the maximum length of tails from the meter/service head. If the tails are longer than that you should have a switch fuse as the DNO won't guarantee their fuse will disconnect quickly enough if a fault exists on the tails. I'm not sure what the rules are in the case of a centralised feed like you would expect to have in a block of flats.

    As for the join... plausible, but be careful with what they are calling different. And by that if at one end they are claiming they are just grey and at the other they are say red and black, then that could just be that one end has more exposed basic insulation (the red/black). The grey is the outer sheath which provides a second layer of insulation.

    Has the economy 7 board ever been moved? Has the electricity supply point to your flat ever moved?
     
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    I have skim read this thread and think someone is in desperate need of honesty

    There are honest and competent electricians around,not all of us are out to screw the customers,some of us actually have a lot of pride in giving good service for required works
    Best to get another opinion,there is too much guesswork involved to make judgement remotely,only perceptions
     
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  24. surreygirl
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    No never. I have had a modern electrical box fitted in the kitchen when I had the underfloor heating put in, but that was it.
     
  25. surreygirl
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    I agree with you with what you say. I need a second opinion that is for sure, because I am lost completely and I have lost confidence in both the Agent and the electrician. I think the electrician means well and wants perhaps to get it right. I really do not know what to think. I mean he said a lot of things which when I questioned him about what he was doing just as you guys told me he backed off. He didn't see the wiring in the economy 7 box it is too high to get up to without ladders.
     
  26. anthonybragg
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    How come you seem to have no say in the work that needs to be done?. I know you posted that you are away a lot have you signed something that gives the agent instruction to instruct on your behalf. Have you posted a copy of the condition report on here as I may of not seen it.
     
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    Don't think surreygirl has had much luck with getting a cert yet
     
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    Yes I did right at the beginning of the thread and I questioned him on it and he removed a few of the things on it.

    The problem is that the Agents electrician will not give me a safety cert until he has fixed all he says needs doing and I am out of time as I go back to Spain on Wednesday, however I may have to come back I think. Having a current safety certificate is part of their conditions for obvious reasons but what I should have done was get in my own electrician as using their one has opened a whole can of worms. I am looking today to get one in for Monday and he can then liaise with the tenant if work does need to be carried out like the new cable going through the lounge along the wall and into the kitchen!

    If that actually needs to be done!
     
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  29. surreygirl
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    Not yet no!
     
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    seems a bit expensive but without full itemised quote I can't really comment
     
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    I am going to do that as some one has kindly given me the details of an electrician who lives near my flat so that is very helpful and I will ring him on Monday so I am feeling a bit happier now:D
     
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    I personally wouldn't be jumping to any conclusions yet, but it's good you have found a third party for a second opinion.

    Will watch out for the update after the other Spark has been in to have a look.
     
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  33. UNG
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    While you really need to change the electrician I also think you need to consider changing the agent as well as they don't seem to be acting in the clients best interest.
    I'm assuming that this agent has been acting for you for a number of years and has had sight of at least one previous EICR for the property and does not appear to want to challenge the findings of the electrician, I would ask the agent how long the electrician has been doing them and if there are any vested interests, family connections etc
     
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    This the first safety cert they have done. I have used them for a year. I am not very impressed at all because a lot of work that needed doing ie Iasked them to put in a hot and the tenants said that the shower wasnt working and that was three months ago. When I arrived not one thing had been done. I said I would then go and buy the hood as I was in the UK and the Agent said that he already had the good which I think was a lie any the long and the short of that was that there was nowhere to put the extractar pipe line or whatever its called so he told me he was returning the hood which I do not beleive he had in the first place and yes you are right the Agent told me that there had never been a complaint about the electrician before, but that doesnt really bother me and also I do not like to be manipulated. I still find £2100 a great deal of money as I said £410 to trunk a small area of grey wiring - about 2 feet -, put in two new fuses for the underfloor heating remove a switch that is at the moment redundant which I do not want removed because it was there for a pump which I want that put back as the water pressure is low and something called "fusing of points" which some said to ask what that was so I did and he removed that one! The the wiring from the main outside board which is some 13 feet to the kitchen was going to be £1600! and yes as you say I will change the Agents when this is over. I am not impressed at all. They have at least now put in the new shower so that is something. No they most certainly are not working in my best interest.

    Also I note that if it is the case that you can only put in 3 metres of wiring before a connection then that means that either at the beginning or at the end there is only 36 inches where the connection is and as there will be a huge hole where he takes out the main switch board why can't he test the connection!
     
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    If this is the first EICR they have done and the agent has let the flat for a year I'm assuming there must be a previous EICR in existance
     
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    Did you ever have a EICR by another electrician at the start as you say a year has gone by with this electrician & agent shouldn't these items been highlighted before the property being rented out ?.
     
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    Yes there is but that was five years ago so it needs a new one and that is why the Agents electrician came in the first place but he failed it.
     
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    Can you not get that Spark to see what he thinks?
     
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    Something isn't right here ,the original EICR wasn't thorough enough/ picked up on these things or the current electrician is lining his pockets.
     
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    this is sounding more and more like a rip off by either the sparks or the agent or both. let's wait and see what the independent sparks comes up with.
     
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    He is coming in on Tuesday to look at the underfloor heating fuses which the Agents electrician said has the wrong fuses in so hopefully he will sort that out and also yes if those wires were meant to be trunked then he has not done his job either! and he has the qualifications to do a safety cert so not sure why he was not thorough, but he obviously wasnt still we shall see.

    All very frustrating
     
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    Would be funny to get them all there together, see the outcome.
     
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    Wish I had the time. Yes it would be
     
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    last time there was a meeting of 3, it was decided to give Poland to the russians, after 5 years of war liberating them from another maniac.
     
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    I'm well aware of the requirements but the previous EICR is a point of reference unless a lot of alterations have been carried out which should have been certified anyway or the tenant has tampered with the installation.

    An electrical installation cannot "fail" an Electrical Installation Condition Report which is a report on the condition of the electrical installation it is not the same as a car MOT which is a pass, pass with advisories or fail outcome.
    An EICR has a satisfactory / unsatisfactory for continued use outcome although FI, C1, C2 and C3 codes could be classed as graded advisories which can affect the overall outcome given on the report
    The issue of the report is not conditional on the inspecting electrician carrying out all the remedial work needed to give the necessary satisfactory outcome required
    The attitude of this electrician from what has been said seems to give an impression that his skill set is not up to carrying out EICR's
     
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