Am I being taken for a ride?

[surreygirl]

https://www.google.com/search?q=ele...1;tbs:lrf:!2m1!1e2!2m1!1e3!3sIAE,lf:1,lf_ui:2

That was helpful. Thank you

 

[Pete999]

That was helpful. Thank you

You're welcome

 

[surreygirl]

C3 is improvement recommended only, so technically you are not required to have anything done for these items to achieve a satisfactory report. What I find interesting is the regulations stated there... 411.5.2 relates to TT earthing systems (what does the report claim your earthing system is?), 531.2 relates to selection of equipment and outlines some key characteristics of the RCDs we are supposed to use, 421.4.9 does not exist in the regs (this may be a typo) and 543.2 details the different types of protective conductor and what is allowable in terms of their implementation and is nothing to do with RCDs.

Accessory damaged C2, this is a legitimate item that requires work providing the item is actually damaged.

Inconsistent resistance values for ring final circuits, Further Investigation. Whether this requires further attention depends largely on what this statement means. If the values are varying by say 0.01 ohms between tests, this could simply be due to the tolerances of the test equipment in use, certainly I wouldn't be worried about it. But if say, r1 is radically different from rn or r2 is way off roughly 1.667 x r1 (or rn), then there could be a bad connection which needs to be investigated to ensure the ring is safe for continued operation. Has he supplied the values of r1, rn and r2 for the RFCs in question?

Characteristic of supply do not conform to industry standard 612.3.2... interesting... 612.3.2 in the regs relates to what constitutes acceptable values for insulation resistance test results and has nothing to do with the characteristics of the supply (which include things like 230v nominal voltage, 50Hz nominal frequency and other important values). So I have absolutely zero clue what he's getting at with this other than possibly just BS to justify charging you an indeterminate fee for investigating a problem which may not actually exist.

The insulation not taken inside an enclosure, yes, that can be a problem but it depends on where it is and what it is as to whether you can legitimately do anything about it. If it's in the meter cupboard for example, you're not responsible for much of what's in there and fixing some of it may require the presence of the seal fairy to cut the seals off the meter/service head (we're not supposed to do that).

You want it to be safe, but with the limited information available, I'd say this guy is a chancer trying to take you for a ride.

Definitely, find a spark from the forums who is local to you and take the advice the guys have given you... get a second opinion from someone else. This could be either a brand new EICR (don't got for a cheap one, on your average house, I look to be there all day and would charge around £240) or engage someone to work through the report and double check what the original guy has put down (as I said, I've done that for someone for a house sale and it cost them around £120 plus materials - in that case, the guy made some very dodgy claims about work that supposedly needed doing and the suggested remedy included a new consumer unit which would have resulted in a bill significantly higher). And of course, please come back and let us know how it turns out.

Sorry to keep asking, The electrician is coming tomorrow with the Agent. Can ou give me some questions to ask him.

Another thing is the main electrical; supply box to the economy 7 is in the lounge. Yes he wants to run an electrical cable through the lounge to the main electrical box in the kitchen. Why does he want to do this it has its own mains box in the lounge! Helllllllp!

 

[SparkyChick]

So first question... is this the electrician who carried out the report and who wants to do a load of work? I'm assuming it is. Why is the agent involved?

We're going to need to see some pictures to advise further really because doing this from afar, blind, is very difficult. Also, is there anything else on the report... if it's paper, print it, take photos and redact identifying details, then post them. An EICR which is what you should have has various sections on it, and it's important we see them all if we are to try and help you further.

I can think of no reason why he would want to link the main consumer unit/fuse box to the economy 7 one... I've actually got a quote to do where some numpty has done this and now the storage heater in my clients bedroom is on permanently.

 

[Pete999]

Sorry to keep asking, The electrician is coming tomorrow with the Agent. Can ou give me some questions to ask him.

Another thing is the main electrical; supply box to the economy 7 is in the lounge. Yes he wants to run an electrical cable through the lounge to the main electrical box in the kitchen. Why does he want to do this it has its own mains box in the lounge! Helllllllp!

If you or the Agent have not received an EICR certificate, ask for a copy, as for the question of running a cable from the E7, I'm unsure, it could be he is attempting to link the E7 box to the Consumers unit (CU) in the Kitchen.

It's very difficult to imagine what he means from your description, not your fault, (you are inexperienced in the realms of electrics,) Having never met the Electrician, we can't really draw an accurate picture of his abilities, he will I think try to get the Agent on his side and baffle him with the same ideas as he has tried to hoodwink you. I think your first priority will be to get your hands on the EICR,
http://www.electricalsafetyfirst.org.uk/mediafile/100404922/Best-Practice-Guide-4-Issue-4.pdf
I have included the best practice guide for you to look at, if the "sparky" attempts to give a typed report which has no resemblance to the certificate in the guide, well then your suspicions will be proven to be true, good luck and please keep the forum posted.

 

[telectrix]

morning Pete. you well?

 

[Spoon]

http://www.electricalsafetyfirst.org.uk/mediafile/100404922/Best-Practice-Guide-4-Issue-4.pdf
I have included the best practice guide for you to look at, if the "sparky" attempts to give a typed report which has no resemblance to the certificate in the guide,

I cant see a cert in the pdf mate... What page is it on?

 

[Pete999]

morning Pete. you well?

Yes Ta Tel, you OK ?

 

[Pete999]

I cant see a cert in the pdf mate... What page is it on?

Yes Mate I realised that my fault, trying to locate one to post

 

[telectrix]

yep. nothing on today, going to have a bit of a tidy up in garage. tomorrow, got a park homes street lighting conversion to LEDs.(weather permitting).

 

[Pete999]

If you or the Agent have not received an EICR certificate, ask for a copy, as for the question of running a cable from the E7, I'm unsure, it could be he is attempting to link the E7 box to the Consumers unit (CU) in the Kitchen.

It's very difficult to imagine what he means from your description, not your fault, (you are inexperienced in the realms of electrics,) Having never met the Electrician, we can't really draw an accurate picture of his abilities, he will I think try to get the Agent on his side and baffle him with the same ideas as he has tried to hoodwink you. I think your first priority will be to get your hands on the EICR,
http://www.electricalsafetyfirst.org.uk/mediafile/100404922/Best-Practice-Guide-4-Issue-4.pdf
I have included the best practice guide for you to look at, if the "sparky" attempts to give a typed report which has no resemblance to the certificate in the guide, well then your suspicions will be proven to be true, good luck and please keep the forum posted.

Sorry OP here is a typical EICR cert
http://www.electricaltestcertificat.../Electrical-Installation-Condition-Report.pdf

 

[Pete999]

yep. nothing on today, going to have a bit of a tidy up in garage. tomorrow, got a park homes street lighting conversion to LEDs.(weather permitting).

What is the weather like in your area? blowing like crazy in Northampton.

 

[telectrix]

a full EICR is 8/9 pages. should contain a schedule of circuits with all the test readings.

 

[surreygirl]

If you or the Agent have not received an EICR certificate, ask for a copy, as for the question of running a cable from the E7, I'm unsure, it could be he is attempting to link the E7 box to the Consumers unit (CU) in the Kitchen.

It's very difficult to imagine what he means from your description, not your fault, (you are inexperienced in the realms of electrics,) Having never met the Electrician, we can't really draw an accurate picture of his abilities, he will I think try to get the Agent on his side and baffle him with the same ideas as he has tried to hoodwink you. I think your first priority will be to get your hands on the EICR,
http://www.electricalsafetyfirst.org.uk/mediafile/100404922/Best-Practice-Guide-4-Issue-4.pdf
I have included the best practice guide for you to look at, if the "sparky" attempts to give a typed report which has no resemblance to the certificate in the guide, well then your suspicions will be proven to be true, good luck and please keep the forum posted.

It now turns out that he wants to check the main supply to the flats! I am sure this is fishing for more work. Thank you for that. Why does he want to check the main supply to all the flats!

 

[Pete999]

I cant see a cert in the pdf mate... What page is it on?

Hi Spoon just posted a EICR PDF

a full EICR is 8/9 pages. should contain a schedule of circuits with all the test readings.

Just posted one Tel not sure if it's current, but suitable for the OP's purposes I think

 

[DPG]

Definitely need some photos.

 

[westward10]

It now turns out that he wants to check the main supply to the flats! I am sure this is fishing for more work. Thank you for that. Why does he want to check the main supply to all the flats!

Who knows it is probably something he should have checked whilst doing the EICR.

 

[telectrix]

What is the weather like in your area? blowing like crazy in Northampton.

just a bit windy. enough to make me wind the garden parasols down.

 

[westward10]

Sorry OP here is a typical EICR cert
http://www.electricaltestcertificat.../Electrical-Installation-Condition-Report.pdf

It may be a typical format and in most cases it will resemble this but there is no requirement for it to follow a set format.

 

[westward10]

OP I would ask him to clarify his findings and recommendations in terms you understand and write them down. Also ask him to bring his Regulations along (BS7671) and ask to be shown the relevant quoted Regulations which I believe to be misquoted / incorrect, see #20.