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How about 134.1.1? That's a good change IMO and hasnt been picked up by most.
Good spot! I completely missed that! lol
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How about 134.1.1? That's a good change IMO and hasnt been picked up by most.
Hmm, there is an awful lot of bleating going on here.
ÂŁ70 for the book, who pays that?
I got the green book and the OSG for ÂŁ60. Everyone in one of the schemes would also have been offered similar deals.
Then, spread that cost over 2 years, and it is 75p a week, for the best guidebook possible for your profession.
I've got no problem with the new RCD regs. Easily bypassed by writing a 5 line risk assessment if you feel it is not required.
How about 134.1.1?
That's a good change IMO and hasnt been picked up by most.
Why? I put an oven in last week, in the install notes, it said "only to be installed by a 'NIC' approved electrician, and must be supplied by 6mm T+E". Why not 10mm? or the 4mm I put in, for the 5kW oven? I went against manufacturers instructions as they were just plain wrong. But my work is non-compliant, and would have been before I started as I am not with NICEIC, which is what I assume 'NIC' means.
I wonder how often the Gas Safe Regs are updated??
My guess would be that eventually we are going to see the second part of EU voltage harmonisation that has been delayed for quite a few years introduced and our nominal voltage will reduce to 220v
Pigs will fly before that happens.
A standard DNO transformer is still 433/250V. Many don’t have tappings.
Due to the use of link boxes between various transformers they would all have to be changed. It’s no fun linking two transformers with a voltage difference.
Said it before and i'll say it again, Pass the publication of BS 7671 over to CIBSE. They tend to still be blessed with commonsense and professionalism!! Both of which are sadly lacking these days in the revamped ITE formerly IEE!![/QUOTE]
And at some time or other IET!
Tony in some areas I have worked recently the voltages are creeping down so I can only assume that new kit has been installed and shortly we may be seeing pigs fly LOL. Speaking to a DNO engineer a couple of years ago he said they were moving towards the 230v nominal voltage as new kit was installed as the reduction to 220v was back on the table and his thinking was it will happen after all the past delays
Skilled person (electrically). A pPerson withtechnical knowledge or sufficientrelevant education and experience
to enable him/ or her to perceive risks and to avoiddangershazards which electricitymaycan create
521.200 Wiring systems in escape routes 521.200.1 Wiring systems in escape routes shall be supported such that they will not be liable to premature
collapse in the event of fire. The requirements of Regulation 422.2.1 shall also apply, irrespective of the classification
of the conditions for evacuation in an emergency.
NOTE 1: Non-metallic trunking or other non-metallic means of support can fail when subject to either direct flame or hot
products of combustion. This may lead to wiring systems hanging across access or egress routes such that they hinder
evacuation and firefighting activities.
NOTE 2: This precludes the use of non-metallic cable clips, cable ties or trunking as the sole means of support. For example,
where non-metallic trunking is used, a suitable fire-resistant means of support/retention must be provided to prevent
cables falling out in the event of fire.
That change from 'competent person' to 'electrically skilled person' is potentially a huge change.
Previously you just had to be competent, with this the requirement to have the relevant education is actually written in to the regs, so no more relying on being time served if you didn't get the requisite bit of paper to confirm your knowledge. Err, where are you reading all this from, what bit of paper are you referring too then??
Who cares about your 20 years industrial electrical experience if you've not got your --- bit of paper you shouldn't be working on electrics unsupervised according to this. Oh dear, you really are reading far too much into a typical cover all statementSkilled person (electrically). A pPerson withtechnical knowledge that's vague or sufficientrelevant education and experience define technical knowledge, sufficient and relevant education??
to enable him/ or her to perceive risks and to avoiddangershazards which electricitymaycan create. usual meaningless filling piff...
eta - I don't know what the strikethrough code is on this board, so the bits with an around them are the bits being struck out.
you may be right, but in that case why would they change the wording?I don't know what you're getting all excited about here to be honest!! You could drive a double decker bus through that description of a skilled person... It say's absolutely ''Nothing'' about holding any specific qualifications, so think ''Minimal'' and think C&G 2382 Lv 3 and you'll be bang on!!
So although you might think differently, nothing has actually changed, you can bet your last penny the Scams will be reading this exactly as i have.
you may be right, but in that case why would they change the wording?
IMO the scams will use this to insist on specific certs for operative, eg 2394 for anyone doing inspection and testing.
It certainly gives them more grounds to do so than the previous wording.
When I look at stuff like this, I do so while considering what the intent was likely to be behind the change, and the intent here clearly seems to be to ensure that everyone has what they deem to be the correct level of certification.
Certificates help them with their tick box culture of assessments, less requirement to actually assess the competence / technical knowledge of the people involved themselves (and potentially open themselves up to liability if they get that wrong), as long as they have the right certificate then they can tick that box and move on to something more important like lunch.
We've already got our main electrician on a 2394 course after being told that they now expect it even with an NVQ lvl 3, so I know it's happening already, this is just providing them with the ammunition.
I can if Mr Skelton is in agreement.Any chance of a mode changing the thread title to 'BS7671 amendment 3 draft' or similar?
I'd not realised what this thread was about until curiosity got the better of me.
I can if Mr Skelton is in agreement.
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