Amendment 3 is getting closer- find out about Risk Assessment changes

[Pete999]

Oh Frick

 

[telectrix]

dementia pills are on the sideboard. next to your teeth in the tumbler. ( no, not the bourbon tumbler, the one next to it ).

 

[Geordie Spark]

dementia pills are on the sideboard. next to your teeth in the tumbler. ( no, not the bourbon tumbler, the one next to it ).

I don't remember having dementia. :uhoh2:

Sorry .. do I know you - have we met before??

<----------- Edit: That's me ower there.

 

[Pete999]

Oh thanks Pal

 

[Richard Burns]

Getting serious for a minute, if I'm reading that document correctly, and knowing me there may be something I'm missing, it sounds to me as if they are saying a 32 Amp RFC should be RCD protected, yet if you put a 20Amp radial with socket outlets on it and you don't want to fit an RCD you need a RA am I right? or have I drunk to much of the red stuff and gone brain dead, serious answer please Tel

In any situation where an RCD is required for a socket circuit if you have a documented risk assessment showing it not required then the RCD may be omitted is the proposal.
It just means there will be generic RA forms produced that state "this circuit has been competently assessed and due to the nature of the use of the socket outlets an RCD is not required" and attached to the EIC.

PART 4
PROTECTION FOR SAFETY
CHAPTER 41
PROTECTION AGAINST ELECTRIC SHOCK
411 PROTECTIVE MEASURE: AUTOMATIC DISCONNECTION OF SUPPLY
411.3 Requirements for fault protection
411.3.3 Additional protection
In a.c. systems. additional protection by means of an RCD in accordance with Regulation 415.1 shall be provided for:
(i) socket-outlets with a rated current not exceeding 20A and
(ii) mobile equipment with a current rating not exceeding 32 A for use outdoors.
An exception to (i) is permitted
(a) for a specific labelled or otherwise suitably identified socket-outlet provided for connection of a particular item of equipment, or
(b) where a documented risk assessment determines that the RCD protection is not necessary.
NOTE 1: See also Regulations 314.1(iv) and 531.2.4 concerning the avoidance of unwanted tripping.
NOTE 2: The requirements of Regulation 411.3.3.; do not apply to FELV systems according to Regulation 411.7 or reduced low voltage systems according to Regulation 411.8.

 

[telectrix]

problem arises if the cable/s to said sockets are buried <50mm deep. the sockets mught not require RCD but the cable will ( unless other forms of protection are used).

 

[Pete999]

problem arises if the cable/s to said sockets are buried <50mm deep. the sockets mught not require RCD but the cable will ( unless other forms of protection are used).

Yes Tel I was trying to put words to that thought, this new amendment seems to contradict it's self, on one hand it's sockets rated at 20amps or less they don't need RCD coverage provided there is a risk assessment covering the reason, but you're right if the cable is less that 50mm buried and not protected it needs RCD coverage, it being the cable, I see trouble ahead.

 

[Octopus]

Yes Tel I was trying to put words to that thought, this new amendment seems to contradict it's self, on one hand it's sockets rated at 20amps or less they don't need RCD coverage provided there is a risk assessment covering the reason, but you're right if the cable is less that 50mm buried and not protected it needs RCD coverage, it being the cable, I see trouble ahead.

My crystal ball sees lots of surface trunking ahead!

 

[vernam616]

AMTECH..... When are you updating the very buggy software for the iPad !?, very frustrating some things on there and its riddled with spelling mistakes

 

[tenheads]

what a load of shi&e

 

[Geordie Spark]

what a load of shi&e

Very succinct but here in Geordieland we spell it shyte .... as in "Haddawaynshyte" the rough translation being "go forth and evacuate you bowels" often followed by the parting shot "Bonny lad".

 

[Andy78]

I'm not understanding any confusion over this reg change.
Everything is exactly the same as before except where you could previously exempt a socket from RCD protection for a "skilled or instructed person" just by saying so, you now will just have to provide a piece of paper saying the same thing. That's it. All the rules regarding RCD protection of sockets and cables remain unchanged.

 

[Octopus]

I really don't understand the need for these "minor" changes without clearing up the "mess" of previous changes!

 

[Andy78]

I really don't understand the need for these "minor" changes without clearing up the "mess" of previous changes!

True, very true. Seems they are always rewording things to clarify muddy issues that could have been written better in the first place.

 

[Geordie Spark]

True, very true. Seems they are always rewording things to clarify muddy issues that could have been written better in the first place.

Aye, they've never heard the old saying; "Do it right, do it once" or whatever it is. Bloody muppets. Have nowt to do with them.

 

[telectrix]

whats one of them RDC things. is it summat to do with rugby?

 

[Pete999]

whats one of them RDC things. is it summat to do with rugby?

No mate RCD Rugby Club Dipsticks

 

[Geordie Spark]

whats one of them RDC things. is it summat to do with rugby?

Ye'll have to ask Mark from MDF aboot that.

 

[marc8]

Best way round just fit RCD protection to everything & then don't have to bother with Ra, I personally fit RCBO's to nearly all boards I change.

 

[ruston]

Mais oui Monsieur - as always!

(see that?? .... Tri-Lingual - Geordie, English and now ... Frog!!)

You're that Bi thingy too aren't you?