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The only fight happening is the Tories fighting amoungst themselves.We shall fight on the beaches, we shall fight on the landing grounds, we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall fight in the hills; we shall never surrender,
Heaven forbid we get a goverment working for the benifit of ordinary people Pete. Far better having self serving elites working on behalf of themsleves and the rich.Just as long as JC and DA don't get into power, the ought to get Dianne Abbot to count the votes.
People’s Vote Please. 30 years of anti European rhetoric in the press have tainted people’s views and the sensible people who voted Brexit will now realise that they’ve been subject to a big con Rule Britannia part of an inclusive European community.
we are leaving the EU not Europe, our place as a European country remains the same.
we get out fishing grounds back from the frogs and the dons.Don’t actually see what we’ll gain by leaving the EU.
Adding on to Tels list and not repeating them, at present this so called FREE trade deal is far from it, we are subject to heavy tariffs on things like food, clothing and footwear etc, these are essential items so it is a burden on the poor, when we leave we can arrange free trade deals with other nations and reduce these costs dramatically which will benefit the poorest in society.Don’t actually see what we’ll gain by leaving the EU.
Your comment 'sensible people who voted Brexit will realise that they've been subject to a big con' ... give examples please
Maybe, but it also means that our fisherman loose access to their fishing grounds.we get out fishing grounds back from the frogs and the dons.
What laws are these?we get to make laws for the UK in the UK, not in sprout land
You still belive this?we get something like ÂŁ350m per week saved
Clear documented correlation recorded showing public opinion of EU decreases when anti EU articles published in right wing press like a Daily Mail.Here lies the problem, there has not been 30yrs of anti-European rhetoric as you put it, there has been select events like joining the Euro etc than reached the public ear but not until the referendum did the public really get any idea how the EU effected the UK.
Your comment 'sensible people who voted Brexit will realise that they've been subject to a big con' ... give examples please and cite your reasoning, sweeping statements and accusation occur on both sides but one thing that has been realised is this 'Trade Group' which we joined and were promised became something else we never signed up to, the lies were very much been imposed on the EU member states while their powers and democratic rights were eroded, I can cite many instances where this can easily be shown and the EU's denial and ignorance or members democratic votes is historically documented, when you openly deny a member states democratic rights we call that a dictatorship.
Your last comment makes no sense - been part of an inclusive European community, we are leaving the EU not Europe, our place as a European country remains the same.
Plus schengen opt outAlso we are outside the Euro. I just get the impression that we’ve already got the best deal!
Clear documented correlation recorded showing public opinion of EU decreases when anti EU articles published in right wing press like a Daily Mail.
What Domocratic Rights have been eroded?
1/ 350 million on big red bus
OK yes, but the bus was meant to be an example of what the money could be used for not a literal statement but it been ambiguous it was suddenly jumped on by remainers, seriously, did you believe it meant we would divert all the money into one body if we left or as it was intended to mean, use the money to aid our own interests.
2/ We can't control our borders
No we cannot, we can implement restrictions on access to certain services but we cannot stop the free flow of EU member states who have access to and are fighting for the same jobs we are, this has driven down wages across the board.
3/ We can't make our own laws
We can make our laws but as long as they do not interfere with or contradict any EU laws, this leaves us with very limited scope, many EU laws are dictated in the interests of Europe as an whole and have negative effects for the UK yet we cannot do anything about it.
When new EU laws and legislation are introduced we get very little say and it is very rare our objections lead to a solution in our favour, more often the not we are out voted and have to accept them.
4/ They need our trade more than we need theirs
This is a 50/50 - the EU is a much bigger entity than the UK so percentage wise the EU trades considerable less of its total than visa versa, but this cannot be put down to a percentage of trade or even the deficit difference, there are many southern EU member states like Spain that rely heavily on the UK with us been the one of the top export markets for them, Spain has a negative economical turnover, it buys way more than it sells, this puts it in a very vulnerable position to Brexit, that and the fact we invest billions into the country means a bad deal could ultimately cause Spain to economically topple, given it already has massively high youth unemployment and massive EU debts it cannot pay off it could as could a few other countries be a catalyst that pulls down the whole EU and Euro.
The EU has recently stopped a trillion plus bond buy up which it brought in after the crash, this was to stop the Euro failing but the bond buy up can no longer be funded and it desired effects were not realised so the EU as a whole are not as comfortable as they would like you to think, economists know this all to well hence EU investment from external sources has fallen sharply while UK invested hit record highs in 2017 and are still holding strong even in the adversity of Brexit and uncertainty.
5/ We can't stop Turkey jouning and there are 80 mllion Turks headng this way.
The only reason this didn't actually occur was a change in circumstances, the ill fated decision of Merkel to open the floodgates led to a big fall out between the EU and Turkey, Turkey even conned billions out of the EU due to its bartering position and the fact it was holding back the tide of immigrants, that was until the talks to join totally broke down...at the time this claim was made, the EU had made a positive statement about the relationship of Turkey and talks to give it EU status (well a chopped down version).
6/ Our rebate can be taken from us against our will
What rebate is this?... The EU created the perfect storm for some of our industries to become negative and thus rely on EU rebates, this ensures EU reliance for a member state and make gives the EU a strong position in any discussions, that is unless you are a big contributor like we are, the fact the rebate never even leaves UK banks and is never actually handed over shows we pay our own rebate, the EU just artificially increase our membership fee to make it seem we are receiving something back.
7/ We can't stop a european army
The EU does not want to rely on America for military support, it want to make it own decisions and choices, key to the EU Army idea was having the UK on board but they denied this idea for 2 decades saying it was not true, then the president of the EU admitted in a speech that indeed they had a goal for a EU Army, this is still the case today.
8/ We are liable for eurozone bailouts in the future
Our membership fee and heavy tariffs pay for bailouts etc as it stands, there are only a few member states that are positive contributors, the rest are been propped up by the major contributors that is France, Germany and the UK.
9/ UK is always outvoted
We are not always outvoted, we are the majority of the time, but without context this means nothing, we are outvoted on some very important votes that have big effects for the UK and this is why it doesn't really work for the UK.
10/ British sreel suffered because of the EU
This is misleading and taken a bit out of context, China dumped loads of cheap steel in the world market against agreed trade practices, this effected most countries but because we have a bif steel industry it hit us harder, we did take certain steps although we could have taken bigger ones to soften the overall blow but were restricted by EU regulations on lower caps for tax.
There are others
Oh and this
Vote Leave fined and reported to police by Electoral Commission - https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/jul/17/vote-leave-fined-and-reported-to-police-by-electoral-commission-brexit
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