Debate with fellow domestic sparky

[loz2754]

A consumer unit is a type tested assembly to BS EN 61439-3. A 2 module enclosure is not, and so would not need notifying.

 

[Baddegg]

Got me thinking , if he hasn’t notified any board changes in 14 years what is the blooming point of being a part pee sparks in the first place , seems all a bit backwards ypou pay your subs to literally notify nothing

Same old story dusty, all will be fine till it’s not, someone will die and then they’ll shut the gate....

 

[Lister1987]

Same old story dusty, all will be fine till it’s not, someone will die and then they’ll shut the gate....

Don't count on it, 2 words: Grenfell Tower, pretty sure no gates have yet to be shut, good for thought.

 

[stevethesparks]

A consumer unit is a type tested assembly to BS EN 61439-3. A 2 module enclosure is not, and so would not need notifying.

I'd say that would be a poor excuse not to notify. The circuits from such a 2 module enclosure would still be new circuits, and the ocpd characteristics would have been changed.

 

[loz2754]

I'd say that would be a poor excuse not to notify. The circuits from such a 2 module enclosure would still be new circuits, and the ocpd characteristics would have been changed.

They may or may not be new circuits. If they are new circuits they'll need to be notified.

 

[loz2754]

I'd say that would be a poor excuse not to notify. The circuits from such a 2 module enclosure would still be new circuits, and the ocpd characteristics would have been changed.

I'm not looking for an excuse. It doesn't bother me if I have to notify something, as I'm registered to do so. Just pointing out that the list of things that need to be notified is very small and clearly defined, and does not include a 2 module enclosure. It could be argued that a switched fused isolator is a type of consumer unit I suppose. The wording in part P is very precise yet still unclear. Typical government document.

 

[stevethesparks]

I'm not looking for an excuse.

Was not pointing a finger at you, just the concept that others may see this as an excuse. Personally I would notify. Part P does seem to indicate this would be a necessity if in Wales, but isn't so clear imho for other area's.

 

[old man sparky]

Its not difficult to notify your work, especially if your with a scheme provider. He obviously is not taking into account the legal repercussions that he could be placing his client under. After all its the home owner who will be responsible for ensuring they use a registered contractor who can back there work up with documentation.
Having said that part P is not particularly well policed, or its requirements made known to the average person, so many get away with this kind of thing.
His arguments going to be something like.
Its not the consumer unit mate that's in the house.
This is a fuse board, connected to an existing radial circuit, from that consumer unit.
Just an improvement on the existing socket it was connected too originally with a fused spur for the lights.
No part P no installation cert. Here's your minor works (If your lucky) bish bash bosh give me yer cash and I'm on me way.
Am I speaking from experience here, sadly yes. But gave up spitting feathers on this kind of thing years ago, doesn't do the blood pressure any good.
How,s about asking him how he verifies Design, Construction, suitability for the environment ect and of course testing.
How suitable is the supply cable for the clients supply and demand ?
What earthing arrangements are at the origin, and can they be safely exported with possible bonding considerations ? Or will a TT system need to be considered. The list goes on but only an experienced or willing to learn sparky will know that.
A lot has changed since I came into the Industry back in 1969, but sadly the horse riders still seem to successfully navigate there way around the industry, turning it into a cash cow.
For what its worth, things have improved a hell of a lot though.
Whoops sorry !! I've waffled on a bit.

 

[loz2754]

Welcome to the forum old man!