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How would you code for circuits not protected by RCD in HMOs, the circuits being, lighting, water heaters and storage heating?
I'm thinking code 3, my main concern is the switch drops having no protection, just wondered if others agree.
I really don't agree to going round giving C3 codes to old lighting circuits just because they don't have RCD protection.
When was the property wired?
Didn't know Regulations gave advise on Code designation what page is this on. Code FI it.
As a post script to the above, assume no more for I have been an electrician for 35 years, the last 25 of those carrying out PIRs and EICRs. The last 20 of those years as a Technical Manager, it is ridiculous I have not seen this before but hey ho no excuses. Will continue to put in Code FI as this is exceeding the recommended Code 3, on what page was that again:6:
As a post script to the above, assume no more for I have been an electrician for 35 years, the last 25 of those carrying out PIRs and EICRs. The last 20 of those years as a Technical Manager, it is ridiculous I have not seen this before but hey ho no excuses. Will continue to put in Code FI as this is exceeding the recommended Code 3, on what page was that again:6:
As a post script to the above, assume no more for I have been an electrician for 35 years, the last 25 of those carrying out PIRs and EICRs. The last 20 of those years as a Technical Manager, it is ridiculous I have not seen this before but hey ho no excuses. Will continue to put in Code FI as this is exceeding the recommended Code 3, on what page was that again:6:
Some toys are clearly being thrown from prams for some reason. Mr Sparks I am employed by a company which has a varied, nationwide client base some of which have varying types of installation, types which may require individual requirements. We rarely delve into the non commercial domestic sector and as such our Reports reviewed by the client who employ people well versed in current requirements. It is at this point of the process where they further investigate whether additional protection by way of rcd/s may be beneficial, often on an individual basis. Of course I understand our interpretation of Code FI may somewhat stray from the meaning in BS7671 it never the less helps our client make their own considered judgement.
Mr 3333 could you back up your statement where you state FI is wrong. I have openly admitted to overlooking the statement in BS7671, page 427 where Code 3 is referred to. This reference however is clearly a prompt to at least make mention of the absence of additional rcd protection by giving a MINIMUM Code 3 classification. The allotting of these Codes is based on personal judgement and if one chose to they could put it in Code 1, 2, FI or 3. I await your reinforcement of your statement.
The allotting of these Codes is based on personal judgement and if one chose to they could put it in Code 1, 2, FI or 3. I await your reinforcement of your statement.
It is at this point of the process where they further investigate whether additional protection by way of rcd/s may be beneficial, often on an individual basis.
Some toys are clearly being thrown from prams for some reason. Mr Sparks I am employed by a company which has a varied, nationwide client base some of which have varying types of installation, types which may require individual requirements. We rarely delve into the non commercial domestic sector and as such our Reports reviewed by the client who employ people well versed in current requirements. It is at this point of the process where they further investigate whether additional protection by way of rcd/s may be beneficial, often on an individual basis. Of course I understand our interpretation of Code FI may somewhat stray from the meaning in BS7671 it never the less helps our client make their own considered judgement.
Mr 3333 could you back up your statement where you state FI is wrong. I have openly admitted to overlooking the statement in BS7671, page 427 where Code 3 is referred to. This reference however is clearly a prompt to at least make mention of the absence of additional rcd protection by giving a MINIMUM Code 3 classification. The allotting of these Codes is based on personal judgement and if one chose to they could put it in Code 1, 2, FI or 3. I await your reinforcement of your statement.
Andy you may not agree/understand the first paragraph but the second is perfectly accurate, didn't expect a Trusted Member to respond like this. I don't use third party guides such as the Best Practice Guide, no idea who is behind it or what it contains. I do agree these Guides can be of some use to someone who is not too sure of the task before them. If it does indeed contain guidance for Code designation I am sure the text will include some sort of disclaimer like using your own experience, knowledge or something along those lines, I really wouldn't know. Your text book definition of Code FI doesn't progress this and the question of where in BS7671 it states Code 3 MUST be used has not been answered.
No one is asking anyone to investigate an observation already made, read my thread. No need to keep quoting FI definitions. I personally don't care if anyone agrees or disagrees but you are another one who cannot tell me where in BS7671 it tells me it MUST go in Code 3. I stated I do not use third party guides but gave their possible uses in my thread. I have IET Guidance notes 1 to 8 which I refer to and the On Site Guide which I never refer to, it is a requirement for ECA, NICEIC membership, no idea why though.
Fortunately I was not educated at Weston Favell Upper.
I dig no hole, it appears the wolves have decided to attack me, however none have answered my question.
Where in BS7671 does it state the absence of additional rcd protection MUST be a Code 3 observation (see page 427) and I emphasise the word MUST, no references to third party guide books.
No one is asking anyone to investigate an observation already made, read my thread. No need to keep quoting FI definitions. I personally don't care if anyone agrees or disagrees but you are another one who cannot tell me where in BS7671 it tells me it MUST go in Code 3. I stated I do not use third party guides but gave their possible uses in my thread. I have IET Guidance notes 1 to 8 which I refer to and the On Site Guide which I never refer to, it is a requirement for ECA, NICEIC membership, no idea why though.
Fortunately I was not educated at Weston Favell Upper.
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