Do socket outlets in a Pub need to be RCD/RCBO protected!

[buzzlightyear]

We do put down for mechanical protection also along with rcd/RCBO protection. Sorry I didn't explain fully, I should of put it.

to late now the horse has bolted .

 

[westward10]

Is this pub a one off or are your company involved with chain because your QS maybe maintaining continuity through the Reporting system.

 

[davesparks]

Yes and the current edition/amendment just like all the other editions/amendments, states installations constructed to earlier editions may not necessarily be unsafe.
Failure to take on board this fact, is failure to conduct the inspection in accordance with the current edition/amendment of BS7671.

It states that compliance with a previous version does not necessarily mean it is unsafe, it does not say that compliance with a previous version excuses non-compliance with the current version.

It means that you cannot code something purely and solely for the fact it complies with a previous version. if there is danger, potential danger or an improvement can be recommended for safety then it should be coded accordingly regardless of the previous editions. Otherwise no progress will ever be made.
A good example is that the old wiring colours comply with a previous version but do not comply with the current version, there is no danger, potential danger or improvement associated with it so it gets no code.
On the other hand an enclosure where live terminals can be accessed without the use of a key or tool complied with a previous version but do not comply now and would likely receive a C2
Thee are many more simple examples like this.

 

[davesparks]

We do put down for mechanical protection also along with rcd/RCBO protection. Sorry I didn't explain fully, I should of put it.

I still don't understand, if the only observation is a lack of mechanical protection then what is the point of recommending fitting an RCD?

 

[westward10]

I don't see this as a grey area at all. I do not concern myself with what ifs and maybes and scenarios you cannot predict or foresee, make a statement of fact that socket outlets do not have additional rcd protection, sensibly Code it, move on.

 

[buzzlightyear]

merlin Gering ,next time you do EICR take some picture and show your Q/S.
him your findings.

 

[Deleted member 26818]

It doesn't matter whether it excuses compliance with current Regulations.
The fact remains that the IET are never going to say that a situation which was deemed safe in previous editions is now unsafe. (The legal ramifications would be enormous.)

BS7671 requires us to make observation on non-compliances which may give rise to danger.
If the Regs. do not consider a non-compliance which complied at the time of construction to be unsafe, how can you then state the situation is potentially dangerous?

 

[Deleted member 26818]

Looks like the thunder has arrived.
At least here it has.

 

[buzzlightyear]

Looks like the thunder has arrived.
At least here it has.

not here!

 

[Ian1981]

the Q/S should be their with the persons who is testing it .and over seeing the testing

Not very practical the inspector should be able to carry out this kind of work unsupervised or shouldn't be doing it