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  1. Kaydee
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    Kaydee EF Member

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    Hi, I am not an electrician, but need some advice from one, if you wouldn't mind helping, please?
    We've just paid £3,500.00 to have a 3-bed semi completely rewired and are told the job is now finished. (We paid half up front, they now want the other half).
    Outside the front of the property, they've installed what they've told us is an 'earth rod'. There's a long piece of thick, black, plastic tubing, leading to a unit that is fixed to the ground.
    It comes almost onto the driveway, right in front of an attractive bush to the side of the front door and looks really unsightly.
    We questioned them about it and were told it was 'regulation' that it had to be installed that way, a metre from the house, in a straight line.
    I haven't seen anything like this in front of any other property, including ones that have been recently rewired, but want to check my facts before challenging them on this.
    Is this normal? Can it/should it be buried underground?
     
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  3. Kaydee
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    Kaydee EF Member

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    Thank you, telectrix, that's the sort of thing I HAVE seen outside other houses.
    In your opinion, would the total cost we have been charged cover the cost of this? We've had new board put in, 4 spotlights in the kitchen and the rest is just basic rewiring with a couple of extra sockets.
    I'm only asking because I want to be prepared if I challenge the electician and he says it'll cost extra.
     
  4. westward10
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    westward10 In echoed steps I walk across an empty dream. Electrician's Arms

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    Can you show a picture of you electric service head.
     
  5. Kaydee
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    Kaydee EF Member

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    I'm afraid I have no idea what that is, westward10
     
  6. bigspark17
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    bigspark17 Electrician's Arms

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    Can you post a picture of the earth rod's current set up? Is your propery in a remote location or do you have other properties close by.? Hard to comment on the price without a full spec but it doesnt sound that unreasonable.
     
  7. Midwest
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    Midwest Electrician's Arms

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    There's going to be a lot of unhappy customers, when the 18th sets in!
     
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  8. Kaydee
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    I'm new to this and just trying to work out how I post a pic.
    House is semi-detached in street near to city centre.
     
  9. telectrix
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    telectrix Scouser and Proud of It Trusted Advisor

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    seeing this from both sides, as it were,

    1. there is payment outstanding, so from your point, you have a bargaining chip. you could insist that he alters it to get paid.

    2. from his point of view, he's done what he quoted for, so is entitled to the outstanding payment.

    playing devil's advocate, considering the above, I'd advise that you speak with him, explain your disappointment with how the earth rod has been installed, and come to a n agreement to alter it whereby you pay him a bit extra, albeit not as much as it would normally cost. the key word is negotiation. then you'll maintain a good relationship for any future works required.
     
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  10. Midwest
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    Midwest Electrician's Arms

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    Below is there a box marked 'Upload s File'? It may be because your a new member, and have insufficient posts to upload pics?
     
  11. David M
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    David M I'm often blinded by simplicity Electrician's Arms

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    Without sounding out of turn, the electrician should have known that an earth rod needed installing upon surveying the property during quoting purposes. The method you described is quite common and tends to be the cheapest easiest solution. This said, personally I would have discussed this with the client prior to commencing work and made provisions in the quote to install the rod within the regs as per clients spec. As its a "basic" re-wire and we know nothing of your agreed contract with the electrician, its difficult to make comment about your situation.
    My guess is he/she will advise that the alterations you require will be charged extra to the original quote if nothing was agreed prior.
     
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  12. telectrix
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    telectrix Scouser and Proud of It Trusted Advisor

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    you post pics by using the "upload a file" next to the reply button, but i think you need a minimum number of posts to be able to do.
     
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    telectrix Scouser and Proud of It Trusted Advisor

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    I'd also like to see a pic. has he installed a decent rod, or just a 3ft. "twig". and is the Ra/Ze suitably low.
     
  14. westward10
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    westward10 In echoed steps I walk across an empty dream. Electrician's Arms

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    It will be where the supply cable connects to, a black or grey box looking enclosure from here wires to your meter.
     
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    service head or cut-out:
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    contains the supplier's fuse.
     
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    telectrix Scouser and Proud of It Trusted Advisor

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    going by the OP's location, shall we send pete999 round on his mobility scooter. :):):)
     
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  17. Kaydee
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    I think you're probably right David, but as he knew we were preparing the house for marketing it, I would have hoped he would have discussed this sort of thing with us, which he didn't!
     
  18. Kaydee
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    I think you're probably right David, but as he knew we were preparing the house for marketing it, I would have hoped he would have discussed this sort of thing with us, which he didn't!
    earth rod2.jpg earth rod1.jpg
     
  19. Midwest
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    Looks okay to me, guess until the bush is cut back!

    PS seen worse, lot worse.
     
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  20. Kaydee
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    Is this normal then? It's just that I've never seen it like this before on other properties.
    I'm mainly worried about buyers wondering what it is and what it's doing there.
     
  21. telectrix
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    yeah. it's not as bad as i thought. a bit of greenery planted in front would disguise it. bearing in mind that it should be accessible for maintenance purposes.
     
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    Note to my self don't interfere with someone else s thread
     
  23. Des 56
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    There is nothing out of the ordinary with what can be seen.
    I suppose an eyesore depends on the perspective of the viewer
     
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  24. telectrix
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    seen far worse, just a rod banged in with no enclosure whatever. worry not. it's compliant even if you don't like the aesthetics.
     
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  25. Midwest
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    Midwest Electrician's Arms

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    It seems you electrician has contained the earth cable in black plastic conduit, to give some form of mechanical protection, i.e. when you cut back that bush.
     
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  26. Kaydee
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    Thank you very much, everyone. Seems I've been worrying unnecessarily!
     
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  27. telectrix
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    yeah. nothing to worry about. it's just the look of it you need to get used to.:)
     
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  28. Midwest
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    Midwest Electrician's Arms

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    Always remember the father-in-law (god bless) cutting his Sky cable in half, trimming his hedge with new trimmer
     
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    haha. he should have utilised some sky hooks.
     
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  30. Gavin John Hyde
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    Gavin John Hyde the lights are on but nobody is home

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    I am looking forward to trying to tell a customer when the 18th kicks in that they now need a supplementary earth rod to add additional layer of protection to the dno earth.. No doubt they will curse and accuse me of robbing them..... oh the joys of being an electrician
     
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  31. telectrix
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    telectrix Scouser and Proud of It Trusted Advisor

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    it may be that when the 18th comes out, that will only apply to new installations and maybe rewires.
     
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  32. Gavin John Hyde
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    Gavin John Hyde the lights are on but nobody is home

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    We can but hope!
     
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  33. davesparks
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    I doubt it because the danger that it is there to reduce is more likely to occur in older installations.
    I believe the regulation is coming as a reaction to the reported increase of cne conductor faults.
     
  34. bigspark17
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    I think that earth rod set up is poor.. cheap s**t box and not buried.! Id get him to change that even if he wanted some extra money for doing so, but he should have buried the conduit!
     
  35. Midwest
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    Midwest Electrician's Arms

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    Bury it, how deep? Someone might attack that out of control 'bush' with a shovel.
     
  36. bigspark17
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    bigspark17 Electrician's Arms

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    In the OP it states in front of an ""attractive bush""... haha
     
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  37. Risteard
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    Risteard Electrician's Arms

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    And long overdue - most of the rest of the world were way ahead with having Earth electrodes on TN-C-S systems.
     
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  38. Midwest
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    Midwest Electrician's Arms

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    You explain that to Mrs Miggins when she wants a new socket for her curlers :)
     
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  39. Dave OCD
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    Dave OCD Electrician's Arms

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    That Mrs Miggins is a good customer of yours Midwest ! :D
     
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  40. NDG Elecs
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    NDG Elecs Electrician's Arms

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    I didn't fully follow the 18th edition changes post around a month ago. And I dare say that my concerns were mentioned in it. I don't think it is necessarily a bad idea at all, and it will give me a chance to dust off my rarely used SDS maxi! On the ground though, doing work day to day, I think all it will achieve is my quotes bring undercut hugely. There are plenty of cowboys out there already, and this will only help them IMO.

    And I agree that the rod installation in the piccy is pretty tatty. Yeah ok it's in conduit, and the rod is enclosed, but I don't think that it is in a suitable location. Once that vegetation grows it could be forgotten about completely. I would have discussed it with the client and put a proper pit in, at the visible edge of the flowerbed at least.
     
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  41. FatAlan
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    FatAlan Trainee Trainee Access

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    Why not just get the DNO to provide a TNCS connection? I'm on at TT system and my Ze was too high. DNO came out and connected up to head to give a TNCS connection. I was advised to disconnect the earth rod as it could result in nuisance tripping.
     
  42. bigspark17
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    bigspark17 Electrician's Arms

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    They may not always provide a pme facility, how could an earth electrode cause nuisance tripping?? This is why DNO opreatives should stay meter side of installations.
     
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  43. Wilko
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    Wilko Electrician's Arms

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    Hi Alan - just interested in them advising you to bin the rod, how could it cause nuisance tripping do you reckon?
     
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  44. Midwest
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    Midwest Electrician's Arms

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    Should of left it in, you might be putting it back in a few years time o_O
     
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  45. FatAlan
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    Funnily enough I haven't touched the existing rod and have had no problems with any tripping :D
     
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