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  1. conrad
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    conrad Regular EF Member

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    Part Rewire to do, small shop on a large premesis 4 lights, 2 sockets, 2 spurs...The existing DB(DB4) which is staying, is fed via 32A mcb from a sub main DB3. Fed by 63 A mcb in another DB2 which then goes to DB1 which is connected to origin. Took a while to chase through as all DBs are in seperate buildings. My question is how far would you go on the EIC in terms of inspect and test details of each protective devices and cable sizing in line etc as job will more difficult obviously access and isolating testibg at each point in 4 seprate buildings.
     
  2. Strima
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    Strima Electrician's Arms

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    One schedule of inspections and test results stating which DB the DB you're working on is fed from with Zdb etc.
     
  3. davesparks
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    davesparks Forum Mentor

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    How can you certify something as compliant when there is such an obvious discrimination issue?
     
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  4. Vortigern
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    Vortigern Electrician's Arms

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    Could you enlarge on that a bit please?
     
  5. anthonybragg
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    anthonybragg Electrician's Arms

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    Are you saying DB 1 is the main DB this feeds DB2 which feeds DB 3 which feeds DB4 which you are wiring new circuits to?
     
  6. Murdoch
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    Murdoch Electrician's Arms

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    The EIC for the rewire of the submain needs to cover "both ends" of said submain.

    Whats the zbd at the last CU?
     
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  7. conrad
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    conrad Regular EF Member

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    3 phs Cutout. All brown singles 35mm ish main earth looks 10mm appears to be undersized for installation. Ze 0 24
    MainDB at cutout in main building feeds
    DB1 seperate building 40 meters away
    feeds
    DB2 in an external outbuilding
    Feeds
    DB3 another outbuilding. Zdb 0.70 TNCS.
     
  8. anthonybragg
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    anthonybragg Electrician's Arms

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    So DB4 which you are installing new circuits to is fed from DB3 via 32A MCB. What is the Zdb at this DB?as max Zs for a C 32 MCB is 0.68! and that's the 100% figure.
     
  9. Ian1981
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    Ian1981 Forum Mentor

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    Sounds like submains fed from submains which is a discrimination nightmare
     
  10. conrad
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    conrad Regular EF Member

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    DB3 is the one im wiring new circuits from... so 0.70. Type 2 crabtree mcb 32A.
     
  11. westward10
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    westward10 In echoed steps I walk across an empty dream. Staff Member Moderator

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    What type of Crabtree mcb is it. I agree discrimination is to pot but sometimes you can only work with what you have. If main protective bonding is required at your premises is the cpc of the supply cable to DB4 of a suitable csa to support bonding. I would check the supply cable from DB3 to 4 is adequately sized and whether fault protection is maintained by the supply protective device at DB3.
     
  12. conrad
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    conrad Regular EF Member

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    But i havnt checked cable sizes at each point in line to DB3. Again being in different buildings its alot of work to actually do, before doing the job you are being paid to do. Eg if the db1 or db2 had an underated cable or any other issues then connecting anything after these wouldnt be acceptable.
     
  13. conrad
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    conrad Regular EF Member

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    By that logic you would also want those details from Main DB, DB1 and DB2 as theyre all inline.
     
  14. westward10
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    westward10 In echoed steps I walk across an empty dream. Staff Member Moderator

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    I would only confirm the size to DB4 from DB3 is adequate.
     
  15. conrad
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    conrad Regular EF Member

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