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Came across this load of s***e when on an EICR today......


The kitchen has been 'rewired' last year for some reason and has been done (very very poorly) in trunking over the front of the tiles. Surface mount boxes have been fitted over the front of the original metal backboxes in the wall. The wiring supplying the new sockets is the brown and blue 2.5mm T&E in the trunking and surface mount box and has been connected into its own circuit as kitchen ring.


Now in the back of the original metal boxes there is 6mm old red & black T&E terminated into choc blocks. This is actually connected to the cooker circuit.


From what I could gather, the cooker circuit comes down from the ceiling into one backbox (now covered with a surface box). From here it is connected via chocblock and goes horizontally left behind the cooker (buried in the wall) and supplies the cooker switch at the left hand side of the cooker.

The socket in the picture attached is on the other wall and the wire seems to come straight down from the ceiling and terminate in this socket in chockblock. It seems it originally then spurred down to a below worktop socket which has now been connected to the new kitchen ring.

The old wire for this socket must be joined to the cooker circuit in the ceiling void above as there is no other accessory or anything it could be joined to in the kitchen.


I'm specifically wanting peoples opinion on what you would grade this live wire in the back of the metal backbox supplied from another circuit? I would like to see it at least disconnected where it joins above so there is no 'dead leg' live wire on another MCB to the socket now 'in front'? Any reference to a reg which you believe might encapsulate this would also be appreciated


Sorry this makes very little sense, really difficult to explain.....
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Came across this load of s***e when on an EICR today......


The kitchen has been 'rewired' last year for some reason and has been done (very very poorly) in trunking over the front of the tiles. Surface mount boxes have been fitted over the front of the original metal backboxes in the wall. The wiring supplying the new sockets is the brown and blue 2.5mm T&E in the trunking and surface mount box and has been connected into its own circuit as kitchen ring.


Now in the back of the original metal boxes there is 6mm old red & black T&E terminated into choc blocks. This is actually connected to the cooker circuit.


From what I could gather, the cooker circuit comes down from the ceiling into one backbox (now covered with a surface box). From here it is connected via chocblock and goes horizontally left behind the cooker (buried in the wall) and supplies the cooker switch at the left hand side of the cooker.

The socket in the picture attached is on the other wall and the wire seems to come straight down from the ceiling and terminate in this socket in chockblock. It seems it originally then spurred down to a below worktop socket which has now been connected to the new kitchen ring.

The old wire for this socket must be joined to the cooker circuit in the ceiling void above as there is no other accessory or anything it could be joined to in the kitchen.


I'm specifically wanting peoples opinion on what you would grade this live wire in the back of the metal backbox supplied from another circuit? I would like to see it at least disconnected where it joins above so there is no 'dead leg' live wire on another MCB to the socket now 'in front'? Any reference to a reg which you believe might encapsulate this would also be appreciated


Sorry this makes very little sense, really difficult to explain.....
20150413_141101_zpsr5l2inj3.jpg

I see Kevin the Kitchen fitter has been busy again
 
I know which is why I was hunting for a reg which it specifically broke.
Would you be happy to leave this without a code on an EICR?
The EICR was requested to highlight the faults with this 'rewire' because it looked so rough.
Live conductors in an enclosure not being isolated by same switch? Best I can come up with is a labelling reg (514.11.1) but technically its not the same enclosure.
 
Why would two different live conductors in one enclosure not be allowed? Millions of two way lighting circuits in houses have this set up, what about a mulit gang grid switch in a warehouse?
 
Why would two different live conductors in one enclosure not be allowed? Millions of two way lighting circuits in houses have this set up, what about a mulit gang grid switch in a warehouse?

sorry crappy explanation on my part, but reg 514.11.1 requires a label in each position where "...there are live parts which are not capable of being isolated by a single device."

Bit overboard to apply it to a domestic setting I agree, so can you confirm that you would be happy to leave 'as is' with no coding if you did this EICR?
 

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