Emergency lights or standard

[Bradley6969]

emergency lights not coming on when breaker is switched off, are these wired just for use as normal lights rather than emergency??? Sorry not done much emergency lights before

 

[Bradley6969]

Looking at it further the battery module should be connected to perm or a link between as once power is switched off no power to battery pack?

 

[Strima]

The lamp holder's not even connected to the battery pack.

 

[Bradley6969]

The lamp holder's not even connected to the battery pack.

Overthinking, will linking 1 and 2 work with emergency

 

[James]

the wiring looks correct to me,
I presume its a 2D style led panel that is attached. the 4 coloured singles go direct to the led's as a low voltage supply when the mains fails.
have you checked that you get power between N and L1 (next to the earth) at all times and that the power drops out when the breaker is off?

 

[westward10]

Have you actually connected the battery.

 

[Bradley6969]

the wiring looks correct to me,
I presume its a 2D style led panel that is attached. the 4 coloured singles go direct to the led's as a low voltage supply when the mains fails.
have you checked that you get power between N and L1 (next to the earth) at all times and that the power drops out when the breaker is off?

Yes turn breaker off and no power there

 

[Bradley6969]

Have you actually connected the battery.

Yes

 

[James]

it looks like a combined battery and charger unit, I suspect the battery has failed, if its being powered up correctly I would expect a tell tale led to show on the surface of the lamp somewhere (possibly a green led)
when you remove the power, the tell tale lamp should go off and the light normally comes on at half brightness until the battery is flat.

Edit, just zoomed in on picture, confirming the detail above.

 

[Charlie_]

Does the indicator light work to show the battery is charging?
Just make sure that the internal battery is properly connected in the emergency pack as they can be a bit finicky

 

[Bradley6969]

it looks like a combined battery and charger unit, I suspect the battery has failed, if its being powered up correctly I would expect a tell tale led to show on the surface of the lamp somewhere (possibly a green led)
when you remove the power, the tell tale lamp should go off and the light normally comes on at half brightness until the battery is flat.

Edit, just zoomed in on picture, confirming the detail above.

Yes once power is on the green light comes on, which I presume means it’s charging

 

[Bradley6969]

Does the indicator light work to show the battery is charging?
Just make sure that the internal battery is properly connected in the emergency pack as they can be a bit finicky

Ok will check but did check 2 lights and they was the same no light once breaker was off

 

[Charlie_]

Are the switch and perm lives fed from the same breaker?

 

[SparkyAndGeorge]

the battery is not connected or the battery has failed, what environment is this fitting installed in?

 

[Bradley6969]

the battery is not connected or the battery has failed, what environment is this fitting installed in?

Outside toilet block, all inside emergencies work

 

[Bradley6969]

Are the switch and perm lives fed from the same breaker?

Perm is from breaker to contactor then lights
Switch is straight from key switch but nothing happens when switching key switch

 

[GBDamo]

Did the green charge indicator ever come on, if not the no power to PL. Is the test switch in test mode?

most I've fitted come with some charge in the battery but if these are totally dead then they may require some charging to function.

 

[GBDamo]

Perm is from breaker to contactor then lights
Switch is straight from key switch but nothing happens when switching key switch

Surely that's arse about face, PL should be from test switch and SL from contractor?

 

[Bradley6969]

Did the green charge indicator ever come on, if not the no power to PL. Is the test switch in test mode?

most I've fitted come with some charge in the battery but if these are totally dead then they may require some charging to function.

So at the min the lights are switched by photocell and come on at night so the batteries should be charged and test mode does nothing

 

[Bradley6969]

Surely that's arse about face, PL should be from test switch and SL from contractor?

Fed via photocell too

 

[SparkyAndGeorge]

Remember the cold environment will seriously diminish the working life of the batteries

 

[GBDamo]

Fed via photocell too

The supply to the battery pack should be from the PL. When the test switch is in the test position then power is cut fooling the light into thinking a loss of power has occurred and the light should switch to battery back up. When not in the test position the batteries will charge indicated by, usually, a green led being lit.

The supply to the lamp, via the contactor and photo cell should be is the switched live and should go in the appropriate terminals on the light.

 

[Bradley6969]

The supply to the battery pack should be from the PL. When the test switch is in the test position then power is cut fooling the light into thinking a loss of power has occurred and the light should switch to battery back up. When not in the test position the batteries will charge indicated by, usually, a green led being lit.

The supply to the lamp, via the contactor and photo cell should be is the switched live and should go in the appropriate terminals on the light.

Thanks understand a bit more now, I’m back tomorrow so will check the wiring cheers for your help

 

[westward10]

Go back to basics initially and check your incoming supply as per #22 it wouldn't be the first time a contactor ditches the PL, if the charge indication goes off when the contactor is off it is connected incorrectly but not necessarily at the fitting. If all this is okay you can probably assume the fitting/s are duff.

 

[westward10]

Please tell me you are not still at that caravan site

 

[Charlie_]

Please tell me you are not still at that caravan site

Is that the one with the two phases and all that jazz?

 

[Bradley6969]

Please tell me you are not still at that caravan site

You have a good memory and no I’m not haha

 

[Bradley6969]

Is that the one with the two phases and all that jazz?

It was yes haha

 

[Charlie_]

How did that job go?
Everything work out ok for you?

 

[Bradley6969]

How did that job go?
Everything work out ok for you?

Good thanks, it was split phase supply had SSE come out to test aswell as they had one of there consultants check before we even went to say it was 3 phase but it wasn’t must have forgot his testers haha

 

[Bradley6969]

Right this is what they have now, I’ll do a drawing of what I think it should be and you guys can correct me if I’m wrong? Or any other solutions? Or if anyway has a drawing would be must appreciated haven’t really touched key switches I know it’s a normal switch basically or contactors

 

[Charlie_]

To keep it simple think of the test/key switch as the main on/off for the circuit.
RCBO to key switch-leg 1

 

[James]

I would be happy to post a wiring diagram, would this fall foul of no step by step instructions rule?

 

[westward10]

I would be happy to post a wiring diagram, would this fall foul of no step by step instructions rule?

No crack on Bradley is a sparky. It's the DIYers we tend to not give step by step advice.

 

[Yozza19]

Strima


The switched live side feeds direct to the led geartray 230v via the pins and the emergency/perm side go through the module witch should have a built in battery witch would power a second set of led,s on the geartray via the battery in the event of a power outage

 

[Bradley6969]

To keep it simple think of the test/key switch as the main on/off for the circuit.
RCBO to key switch-leg 1

It’s the contactor bit how do you incorporate that

 

[Bradley6969]

No crack on Bradley is a sparky. It's the DIYers we tend to not give step by step advice.

I’ll have a go won’t be long haha

 

[James]

There are multiple ways of doing it, depending on exactly what function you want from the manual on / off switch and the photocell override switch.
but this is one way it could be achieved.

 

[Strima]

Strima


The switched live side feeds direct to the led geartray 230v via the pins and the emergency/perm side go through the module witch should have a built in battery witch would power a second set of led,s on the geartray via the battery in the event of a power outage

That just seems like a lot of faff...

To be fair all the 2D EM fittings I've dealt with were solely 2D with no additional LED lamps hence my comment.

 

[Toneyz]

That looks wrong to me, the p/c override and supply for the control.

 

[James]

That looks wrong to me, the p/c override and supply for the control.

depends on what you are trying to achieve.
if you want the lights
perm on, turn manual switch to on.
automatic, turn manual switch to off with over ride switch on
perm off, turn manual switch to off and over ride switch to off

 

[Charlie_]

It’s the contactor bit how do you incorporate that

So the contactor has a coil that switches it on and off (perhaps A1&A2.L&N)
All the switched outputs from the photocells need to connect to A1 of the contactor

 

[leonard]

Here’s more detailed schematics, if it’s any help.

 

[Bradley6969]

Thanks everyone​

 

[Bradley6969]

Here’s more detailed schematics, if it’s any help.
View attachment 49647

Cheers mate, what software you use to draw that

 

[Toneyz]

The p/cell switch is not overriding the photocell it's isolating it.

 

[GBDamo]

Here’s more detailed schematics, if it’s any help.
View attachment 49647

Well I ain't posting mine now, hour of my life I'm not getting back.

 

[Bradley6969]

Switched and perm wrong way round?

 

[Bradley6969]

Well I ain't posting mine now, hour of my life I'm not getting back.

Noooo I appreciate your help

 

[Charlie_]

Possibly
Just put your tester on them to find out