FIRE RATED DOWNLIGHTS AND PLASTIC CCU - WHAT SIDE OF THE FENCE?

[NICKYNUNN]

You can't really try and force the customer to change 40 downlights.

Im not trying to force anything, what would you code the downlights as?

 

[DefyG]

Wouldn't unless evidence of thermal damage, (connector blocks burnt/melted for example)! Incorrectly fitted, incorrect lamps, surroundings burnt?

Should/could the non fire rated downlights then be coded as a C3 ?

No the fittings themselves aren't a problem if correctly installed.

 

[NICKYNUNN]

Wouldn't unless evidence of thermal damage, (connector blocks burnt/melted for example)! Incorrectly fitted, incorrect lamps, surroundings burnt?

No the fittings themselves aren't a problem if correctly installed.

Thanks

 

[NICKYNUNN]

9 out of 10 sparks Ive spoken to say C2 for non fire rated downlights and C3 for plastic board.
I'm pleased I asked on here, I appreciate all the advice.

 

[NICKYNUNN]

Just noticed NAPIT code breakers have it as a C2.
They say "no fire hoods fitted on open back downlights with room above" C2
C3 if there is no room above
??????

 

[timhoward]

As a Napit member, my considered opinion is that the book you mention is only fit for one purpose....

 

[NICKYNUNN]

As a Napit member, my considered opinion is that the book you mention is only fit for one purpose....
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[NICKYNUNN]

So apart from the respected opinions of electricians,which is appreciated, and the advice given in Napits code breakers(not respected by all), there is no bit of literature that says for definite,it simple terms that non fire rated downlights are or are not permissible when carrying out a condition report.

 

[timhoward]

As far as I know BS7671 isn't anywhere near that specific. In a nutshell the luminaire must be suitable for the location.
Have a gander at regs 422.3.1, 422.3.8 and 559.4.1
For purposes of an EICR judgement about whether it's potentially dangerous is mainly down to factors mentioned earlier.

A completely separate question is whether the ceiling needs to be fire resistant (FR), as Tel was saying earlier. If the property is divided into multiple dwellings i.e. flats then the fire rated downlight topic comes into play.
A house rented as a whole doesn't come into this category. (A house of multiple occupation has many extra requirements regarding fire safety but not fire retardant ceilings to the best of my knowledge)

 

[NICKYNUNN]

As far as I know BS7671 isn't anywhere near that specific. In a nutshell the luminaire must be suitable for the location.
Have a gander at regs 422.3.1, 422.3.8 and 559.4.1
For purposes of an EICR judgement about whether it's potentially dangerous is mainly down to factors mentioned earlier.

A completely separate question is whether the ceiling needs to be fire resistant (FR), as Tel was saying earlier. If the property is divided into multiple dwellings i.e. flats then the fire rated downlight topic comes into play.
A house rented as a whole doesn't come into this category. (A house of multiple occupation has many extra requirements regarding fire safety but not fire retardant ceilings to the best of my knowledge)

Thanks for that, I appreciate you taking the time. I will go and have a look at those Regs.