flat submains and landlords suuply

[pbarrett]

hi ya'll

got a query, just questioning my judgemet

been o look at a job were a spark has done a disappearing act and work needs finishing the scenario-

total rewire, new3 phase mains incoming and gas etc

5 storey building
x4 new flats all new installs

by the entrance ground floor x4 submains each has 100a switch fuse cutouts for each flat and a landlords c/u. all fed via 25mm 3 core SWA from DNO 100a cutout in the basement.

my thinking is they should have switch fuses in the basement as its 20+ metres from DNO cutout to the switch fuses?

also the landlords supply has no switch fuse at all, just straight from DNO isolator.

the 2 mini boards are for pump for 2 of the flats

pic

 

[Pete999]

So there unsheathed cables from the output of the isolators?

 

[danzor]

Looks shocking.

Get yourself some trunking and grommet strip

 

[Pete999]

Agree mate but didn't want to sound rude but you did it for me

 

[Pete999]

One mor observation what about sleeveing on the cpc

 

[pbarrett]

this is how I have found it, the swa sheath wasn't even earthed, which I have done.

not sure how to get around the unsheathed cores

 

[pbarrett]

be as rude as you all want as I didn't install this lot
happy for the advice

 

[danzor]

I don't think its the fellas work if I'm right, but yea was thinking that, bit of sleeving.

Anyway those tails from the armoured will get snagged too.

I can't look at that pic any longer.

 

[pbarrett]

none of the flat C/U's are sleeved either and are pretty untidy tbh

 

[pbarrett]

the tails from aroumered run through a bush, so go through metal trunking without harm but, I really don't know why he has done like this

 

[pbarrett]

im carrying out an EICR as agreed, as they need building regs approval asap, they did want me to sign off as mine!! hhhmm don't think so

 

[danzor]

the tails from aroumered run through a bush, so go through metal trunking without harm but, I really don't know why he has done like this

They should be in an enclosure.

 

[Pete999]

Thats right or M/C switch fuses bushed directly into the metal trunking eliminating the need for non sheathed armored cable cores

 

[danzor]

I would love to see whats hiding to the left of the picture

 

[pbarrett]

it does need switch fuses at this location doesn't really?
as from here its 20+ metres to the ground floor switch fuse isolators he has installed

 

[MDJ]

When your ready for us to totally slate this let us know lol

 

[pbarrett]

I would love to see whats hiding to the left of the picture

only the new incoming and above it the suppies to the rest of the builing, café etc, all of which leave much to be desired

 

[Pete999]

Alright I'll be a brave boy bloody awful rip it out and start again, complete crap

 

[Clive P]

Hi,

I don't know where to start , there is so much wrong with it. As Pete says rip it out, start again and do it right. Trying to put right what is already there will take longer than re-doing the job.

Regards.

 

[pbarrett]

I was waiting for that response, ok im all ears on how to re layout

 

[Pete999]

Trunking already in situ, M/C Switch fuses bushed into said trunking underneath, SWA terminated into said trunking, unsheathed SWA core run into individual Switch fuses with appropriate earth sleeveing . Insulated and sheathed tails run to DNOs equipment, all nice and neat and safe oodles of space left

 

[danzor]

 

[danzor]

They call me Dalí

 

[Pete999]

WTFs that?

 

[pbarrett]

very arty

 

[MDJ]

WTFs that?

Looks like something a 4 month old baby with a farleys risk in one hand and a baby bottle in the other could draw in a couple of minutes lol

 

[danzor]

lots of trunking !

 

[pbarrett]

looks like a smoke packet railway/tube map

 

[danzor]

It's not to scale either !

 

[Badged01]

I think you've already stated your doing one but before I'd even consider touching this stuff it would be a day or two of indepth inspection/test (EICR) to baseline the whole installation --- if you think it looks bad at this end I be scared sh*tless would might have happened at the flat ends!. Then and only then can you discuss the way fwd with whoever owns the place and how you are going to rectify & certify it?!?!

 

[Pete999]

Pencil's blunt as well

 

[danzor]

something like this and you can't go wrong

 

[danzor]

I'm just baffled how a provider would install the meters with the install looking like that.

Must of been a big brown envelope

 

[pbarrett]

yes I have commenced an EICR today and going through the 4flats ad found some issues that I have been asked to address as I go. only seen the basement today as couldn't access it on my initial visit, hence my concerns and sound advice needed

 

[Badged01]

As a matter of interest why did the original 'electrician' leave the job?

 

[pbarrett]

it has surprised me too that the DNO have put the meters so far away from supply and the main cable in crosses over the meter tails

 

[pbarrett]

As a matter of interest why did the original 'electrician' leave the job?

I believe a dispute over money and clocking days n the job when he wasn't there, it all looks rushed

 

[ferg]

I'd be cautious just in case the previous guy bailed because of non payment.

Maybe just do the EICR and issue an invoice.
See how it goes from there.

 

[pbarrett]

I have been paid for today on the job, and I have done a different job for the contractor ordering the work and paid for that also, so im not worried on that front, in any case they wont get any paperwork until im fully paid

 

[Plonker 3]

This is what you need to in the style of Geordie spark

Orange Juice - Rip it Up (Official Video) (1983) - YouTube

 

[danzor]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EzGoDtmTllg

 

[itselectric]

The sparks haven't followed recommended colours for multi core cables, ie where multicores are used, new colours
Brown live
Grey Neutral
Black Cpc

 

[Plonker 3]

The sparks haven't followed recommended colours for multi core cables, ie where multicores are used, new colours
Brown live
Grey Neutral
Black Cpc

No right or wrong way, as long as the cores are identified at all terminations and the GY or bare copper CPC isnt used for anything other than earth or CPC

 

[7029 dave]

this is how I have found it, the swa sheath wasn't even earthed, which I have done.

not sure how to get around the unsheathed cores

I would have that trunking out for starters swa to close, then 80 amp switch fuse on each sub, then tails from s/f to isolator.