Hob cable outside then in

[Scott Jacob]

Evening All another odd question (I love my customers)

There’s no 10mm or 6mm cable in their kitchen, apparently when it was wired there were all 13amp eco appliances. Anyway a new couple have bought it and want a 5 ring hob installed but the kitchen is done to a high standard so they don’t want trunking or walls chased (kitchen in single story extension. The board and job location are on the outside wall. Can I run a 6/10 mom cable through the wall outside the back inside for for the hob connections obv the cable would be aremourd or SY. Is this doable or is it a case of no can do

 

[Andy78]

Not understanding the question. Are you asking if a cable can be run outside ?

 

[Scott Jacob]

Basically asking can I run the cable from the board inside, through the wall clip the cable to the outside then bring it back in where the hob location is and connect up. So basically the cooker feed with run outside then back in

 

[Red Tony]

Is it a concrete floor?
Sometimes a customer just needs telling point blank......if you want something doing you got to be prepared for mess ie chases or ugly mech protection on show...... we're Sparky's not magicians.

 

[SparkyAndGeorge]

What about local isolation for the hob?

 

[mattg4321]

Don't use SY.

Why would running armoured be a problem?

 

[Andy78]

Basically asking can I run the cable from the board inside, through the wall clip the cable to the outside then bring it back in where the hob location is and connect up. So basically the cooker feed with run outside then back in

Where is your quandry based ? "Are cables allowed to be run outside ?"is quite an odd question.

 

[Red Tony]

Basically asking can I run the cable from the board inside, through the wall clip the cable to the outside then bring it back in where the hob location is and connect up. So basically the cooker feed with run outside then back in

You can't do that with Swa mate unless you use ''ugly' gewiss boxes what a faff on.

 

[Red Tony]

Where is your quandry based ? "Are cables allowed to be run outside ?"is quite an odd question.

Andy I think he's saying how's best to tackle job when you got dumb clients who don't want their fancy kitchen getting a bit messy.

 

[Red Tony]

If they that fussy my advice is forget it and move onto the next client......or quote a ridiculous price.

 

[The_apprentice2.0]

Agree with post #6 ... SY is likely to be come uv damaged in time not practical for the job, ... why not conduit?

 

[Red Tony]

Don't use SY.

Why would running armoured be a problem?

For a domestic hob?

 

[Scott Jacob]

Yeah basically I’m asking is it allowed in the rgs. To bring a cable outside then back in for an internal appliance. I could be asking could I run a cable from point a in to point b which are both inside but the cable connecting them is outside of the building

 

[Scott Jacob]

Yeah I don’t mind housing swa or conduit I just need to know if it acceptable to do. I know it won’t look the best the cooker supply running outside but thsts my only option

 

[Red Tony]

Agree with post #6 ... SY is likely to be come uv damaged in time not practical for the job, ... why not conduit?

Can you get 6mm or 10mm singles?

I've only ever used 10mm for earth bonding

 

[goasis]

Perfectly acceptable to run swa outdoors, if that's what your asking? Bit of a strange thing to ask though!

 

[buzzlightyear]

the best way of put cable to the hob would be in white conduit then black Swa , because it will look pleasing to. the eye .but thats me.

 

[Scott Jacob]

I can’t see any reason why I can’t run the cooker supply it’s mechanically protected

 

[Strima]

I would consider using conduit as it would look tidier than cable. If it’s a straight run black enamel looks good.

 

[Scott Jacob]

No I’m not asking isit accetabke to run a cable outside, all I’m asking is can I run thrnsupllt to my cooker from the board outdidd then in as it’s the only route

 

[goasis]

No I’m not asking isit accetabke to run a cable outside, all I’m asking is can I run thrnsupllt to my cooker from the board outdidd then in as it’s the only route

..... Pleased you've cleared that up then...

 

[Red Tony]

Conduit better than swa

 

[buzzlightyear]

No I’m not asking isit accetabke to run a cable outside, all I’m asking is can I run thrnsupllt to my cooker from the board outdidd then in as it’s the only route

are you asking has a customer or a spark?

 

[buzzlightyear]

If youare doing it your self then a new feed will come under part p .

 

[Scott Jacob]

Yes I know that im just asking can I run a job supply outside instead on inside: if the only thing that’s wrong is that it looks unsightly

 

[Deleted member 105166]

What’s on the outside wall, Scott? I.e. how visible would cabling or conduit be? Can it be hidden with trellace etc?

 

[mattg4321]

For a domestic hob?

Is there a regulation I'm not aware of that says you can't run supplies to hobs in armoured?

I'm not really sure what you're getting at.

If it can be glanded into say a metal clad 45A switch in a sensible place, then what's the problem?

 

[Red Tony]

Is there a regulation I'm not aware of that says you can't run supplies to hobs in armoured?

I'm not really sure what you're getting at.

If it can be glanded into say a metal clad 45A switch in a sensible place, then what's the problem?

'wheres that in the regs'?
I never mentioned it's against the regs did i...?
I'm just saying really use swa on a domestic cooker hob? industrial type setup that.....like I say sometimes common sense should provail and you have to put your foot down with a customer and tell it how it is.

 

[NDG Elecs]

'wheres that in the regs'?
I never mentioned it's against the regs did i...?
I'm just saying really use swa on a domestic cooker hob? industrial type setup that.....like I say sometimes common sense should provail and you have to put your foot down with a customer and tell it how it is.

Using SWA externally is hardly an 'industrial type set up'. SWA is used in thousands of domestic properties.
To the OP; the cable could be SWA, NYY or in conduit. You need to see which is the most practical and sensible for the run. Is the cable that is ran externally likely to get any knocks. If it is then I would avoid NYY in that instance. And I don't think an externally mounted IP box is necessarily an ugly addition.

Explain to the customer the positives and negatives about each viable option and price accordingly.

 

[Bellendian]

6mm t+e run through 25mm conduit on the external section would be simplest. Don't really like t and e in conduit, but no point adding unnecessary joints for sake of it, and twin will be easier to route on the internal sections.

 

[HappyHippyDad]

No offence to the OP but this thread has made me giggle. Good luck with running the cable out and in and in and out.... and in.

 

[Red Tony]

I wouldn't have either externally on my house......and no I'm not a snob just wouldn't want a fat cable on show with loads of cleats showing.

Personally if I couldn't convince client to bite bullet and mess up kitchen I'd silly price job and if accepted I'd do it in conduit or if possible dig trench and hide swa?

 

[Bellendian]

No offence to the OP but this thread has made me giggle. Good luck with running the cable out and in and in and out.... and in.

It's no laughing matter. You've got to be Part O qualified before you can even consider running cables outside!

 

[NDG Elecs]

I wouldn't have either externally on my house......and no I'm not a snob just wouldn't want a fat cable on show with loads of cleats showing.

Personally if I couldn't convince client to bite bullet and mess up kitchen I'd silly price job and if accepted I'd do it in conduit or if possible dig trench and hide swa?

None of us have (except the OP) seen the job though. The external run might be only for a few feet. The exterior of the house might be hideous and unkempt. The run might be in a side passage that is virtually never used. Solutions and their costs can be provided and the client can then decide.

 

[suffolkspark]

Can you route it under the plinth?

 

[Dustydazzler]

6mm t+e run through 25mm conduit on the external section would be simplest. Don't really like t and e in conduit, but no point adding unnecessary joints for sake of it, and twin will be easier to route on the internal sections.

I tend to agree with the above...

Domestic install , only (easiest) route is external , depending on the oven/hob I would go for 4mm in 20mm pvc conduit or 6mm in 25mm pvc conduit.
It ain’t perfect but nothing in life ever is.

 

[Michael Sands]

Take the 10mm bonding from main water pipe under sink and use as a draw for 6mm then re instate it’s helped me out a couple of times

 

[davesparks]

Can you get 6mm or 10mm singles?

I've only ever used 10mm for earth bonding

I can't work out if this question is a joke or not?

 

[mattg4321]

I can't work out if this question is a joke or not?

Even after reading the rest of his posts on this thread?

 

[Red Tony]

I can't work out if this question is a joke or not?

It was tongue in cheek......... You know (hence the use of the smiley)!

 

[Red Tony]

Even after reading the rest of his posts on this thread?

Where's the OP gone?
Ill be keen to see pics of his install.

I did ask him is floor concreted (usually is like) but no answer.

 

[Charlie_]

OP always seem to just disappear, I would like to start seeing some closure on a lot more of these threads

 

[freddo]

No one has suggested MICC yet. 2L4 is amply rated, suitable for outdoor use and has an overall diameter of only 9.4mm

 

[MJPD29]

I can't keep up with what's going on here is the cables going out and in more than once??

 

[telectrix]

 

[DefyG]

Basically asking can I run the cable from the board inside, through the wall clip the cable to the outside then bring it back in where the hob location is and connect up. So basically the cooker feed with run outside then back in

Despite all the confusing replies I think the simple answer is;
YES.
But give consideration to the type of wiring/method you in tend to use!

 

[Charlie_]

Definitely don’t go for sy, its not compliant with any bs and shouldn’t be used for that application..
Perhaps, Go for heavy gauge 25mm conduit, the containment can also be used for lighting or outdoor power

 

[Jjc]

Is it a concrete floor?
Sometimes a customer just needs telling point blank......if you want something doing you got to be prepared for mess ie chases or ugly mech protection on show...... we're Sparky's not magicians.

This isn't a sparky, frightening.

 

[Spoon]

This isn't a sparky, frightening.

If you are referring to the OP then where do you get your info from that he isn't a sparky?

 

[sparx northeast]

Yes it's allowed. Put it in conduit - no problem