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  1. Capra
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    Capra EF Member

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    So.. we've dropped a clanger.

    3 way switching for large Hallway.
    Switch wire drops to 1 gang switch(2way), then 3-core to 4-gang switch, then 3-core to 1-gang(2way). This means our 2nd switch isn't an intermediate - but a 2-way.
    (Not aware of anyone who makes a 4-gang switch with an intermediate module - which would sort this straight away)

    Just wondering if anyone has an ideas of how we can get this to function - other than removing a module from an intermediate and getting it to work in our 4-gang.

    Is there any method in which the intermediate switch can used as the first switch in the group? I can't think of one... but i know there's some clever folks on here.........
     
  2. Murdoch
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    Murdoch Electrician's Arms

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    Why can't you use a grid switch?
     
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  3. J.C.E
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    J.C.E Electrician's Arms

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    grid switch setup
    or use click mode range- they are inter changable modules
     
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  4. Capra
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    Capra EF Member

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    hoping to avoid grid switch if possible - customer wants all the switch plates to match.....
     
  5. Murdoch
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    Then do them ALL using grid switches.
     
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  6. J.C.E
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    J.C.E Electrician's Arms

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    want someone and go back and re-wire it for you too!!
     
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  7. Wilko
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  8. Capra
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    Capra EF Member

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    see.. I knew there were clever folk on here..:)
     
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  9. Capra
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    Capra EF Member

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    Never knew there was a place you could build your own light switch..... where's the world heading!

    Grid is looking like the obvious fix.... maybe she won't notice.... ;)
     
  10. Leesparkykent
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    Leesparkykent You Rock Gmes Staff Member Trusted Advisor

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    If you use the click mode range that's been referred to a few times throughout the thread then they look like normal switch plates as they dont have yokes etc. If you went and brought a 4gang click mode switch....the switch is a 4module aperture plate with 4 module switches.
     
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  11. Capra
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    Capra EF Member

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    Many thanks all. Will go down the click mode route.
     
  12. anthonybragg
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    anthonybragg Electrician's Arms

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    What were you intending to use?
     
  13. multimick
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    multimick Regular EF Member

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    i always use click for emergency light key switch you buy a 2 gang switch and a keyswitch and swop em then you get a bonus of a 1 gang switch free
     
  14. Capra
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    Capra EF Member

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    I wanted to keep the plates the same, as the customer hoped. Hence the the original post asking if anyone had any method of using 3-way switching with the inter switch first. I didn't think it was possible - but things are always worth asking about.
    Other option was to take a intermediate module out of a 1 gang intermediate switch, from the same range as the 4 gang - and fit it in the 4 gang. It's doesn't just "fit" - as i've looked. Then again - it's not a modular system that's designed to be swapped - so I wouldn't expect it to.

    In fairness.. the customer might not even have said out if I'd just used a grid.. but when I told her about our cock up, I got "oooh i really want them all exactly the same" So I thought I'd look at options to appease. You know how it is.

    I've never used click mode before - only MK.
     
  15. anthonybragg
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    anthonybragg Electrician's Arms

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    Take it is a one-off house take it you usually use MK or got MK already just the way you worded your post.
     
  16. Leesparkykent
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    Leesparkykent You Rock Gmes Staff Member Trusted Advisor

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    What do you mean using the intermediate switch 1st? If the switch wire is at the intermediate and either end are just 2-way then of course you can wire it up like this.
     
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  17. anthonybragg
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    anthonybragg Electrician's Arms

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    He has taken the two 3 core & E 's to the 4G switch and realised that a 4 G switch only contains 2-way switches and didn't know about interchangeable switches eg Click.
     
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  18. Capra
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    Capra EF Member

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    indeed. That's that's the dropped b0ll0ck
     
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  19. Resu
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    Resu Trusted Advisor

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    You can swap the modules out on Hager switches. 1, 2 & 4 gang switches all have individual modules and any could be swapped for intermediate ones.
     
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  20. 123
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    You can do it with most brands (MK iirc is one that you can't). The difference with Click is you can buy the individual modules, rather than having to buy switches to dismantle.
     
  21. 123
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    An expensive "fix". And Grid switches will never tie in and look the same as the sockets of the same brand.
     
  22. rolyberkin
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    The intermediate module on a click mode switch doesn't line up 100% with a normal two way, if your customer has OCD it will drive them mad!
     
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  23. marconi
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    [​IMG]

    Could you swap the current 4 gang metal back box for one of these and put the single intermediate on one side and a triple gang switch plate on the other?

    Might have the advantage to the client that the 3-way switch is separate to the others and thus obvious.

    There is a similar dry-lining box:

    [​IMG]
     
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  24. anthonybragg
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    anthonybragg Electrician's Arms

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    IMO in practice, it looks s....t. sorry.
     
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  25. Capra
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    Capra EF Member

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    Maybe.. but still a potential fix to a problem for future reference....
     
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  26. 7029 dave
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    7029 dave Trusted Advisor

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    Used these many times.
     
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  27. EbolaSideRoom
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    Click Mode is the easy way out here. Even if the client wants a decorative finish that can be catered for. I don't think many other manufacturers do this; certainly not MK or Crabtree.
     
  28. Capra
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    Capra EF Member

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    Click mode ordered - back there friday to fit.
     
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  29. marconi
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    Capra, Nice to get a response on what you have decided to do. So often folk do not post back to say what they have done or the outcome or the usefulness or not of some advice that's been offered. :)

    In a social network of knowledge such feedback is how participants learn from others.

    (In one of my previous lives I worked in a team to promote knowledge sharing and information/advice seeking behaviour through networked computer systems. A finding from research we did was that feedback to those that contributed, encouraged and rewarded them and helped to stimulate and reinforce the behaviours we wanted. Most folk said they were eager to know about outcomes. Those that did provide feedback found others were more ready to help them on the next occasion. )
     
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    IMO replies from any OP on the conclusion or final outcome on how the problem was solved shows not only gratitude and thanks to the people who posted there advice it also helps the trainees who read them on this forum.
     
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  31. Timdidsbury
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    Timdidsbury New EF Member

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    Buy a grid system switch plate and slot in your exact requirements with the various switch modules
     
  32. Phil Thompson
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    Phil Thompson Let us light up your life! Electrician's Arms

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    I put a 3G switch on a job on Thursday, left is bathroom lights, right is bedroom lights and middle is an intermediate fit the hall 3 way.

    Click Mode range have interchangeable modules.
     
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