Is this within regs?

[Tiny Spark]

Guys, Guys, Guys..... This is how you terminate a SWA

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_Dh5hCriDI...8g/s1600/Cable+Earthing+Conductor+Picture.JPG

 

[KAS1]

IMO the poster of this thread is not a tradesman, ffs don't all give him a paint by numbers solution................

 

[Andy78]

Guys, Guys, Guys..... This is how you terminate a SWA

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_Dh5hCriDI...8g/s1600/Cable+Earthing+Conductor+Picture.JPG

Seen plenty like that, sadly

 

[KAS1]

I love it, could of put some g/y tape round some of the swa cores lol

Guys, Guys, Guys..... This is how you terminate a SWA

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_Dh5hCriDI...8g/s1600/Cable+Earthing+Conductor+Picture.JPG

 

[alexknight0602]

I'm at a bit of a loss as to why you couldn't do this in the first place, ...still you're there now!! Bend the tag of the Banjo up and you'll get a better flat connection with the locknut!! Still say you'd be better off with a Piranha earth nut mind... lol!!

I thought that myself once i had managed to get where i was in the second picture. I hadnt used one of those boxes before which is why i was having problems getting enough of the gland through with the screw thread.
I asked for a Piranha nut at the wholesalers, but they didnt stock them as they just hung around when thy did have them!

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looking at that pic., i would say a locknut under the banjo would make for a decent connection.

I will do that before the circuit is energised. Thanks

 

[ruston]

This isn't an issue of whether it complies with the regs or not, it's about taking pride in your work and making sure you do a proper job of it. I'd revisit that and basically redo it!

Yes I agree with you, but at least he did ask , took a ribbing and got on with it and tried to make it better. He could of just left it an said nowt, and the pic would have found it's way on here eventually. Just needs to get a bit help or do some research to see what products are available. We know nothing about him , he may have experience in other avenues and has not encountered this before , I'm not saying it's right , just that he had the good sense to take on board advice he was given.

 

[alexknight0602]

Yes, what is under the banjo? Not good if it's plastic! I'm not very convinced by the crimp terminal either, nuts in the wrong places, easy for the screw to loosen.

What is the best sequence of nuts on the bolt? Only did SWA a couple of times at college 2 years ago.

 

[KAS1]

This is just basic workmanship ffs.................. and ffs redo the crimp as well

 

[KAS1]

1 Bolt, 2 nut, 3 crimp, 4 locking nut, 5 tea break

 

[ruston]

I do it different - no1 tea break , then as yours.

 

[alexknight0602]

IMO the poster of this thread is not a tradesman, ffs don't all give him a paint by numbers solution................

Please define tradesman.
Im someone who spent 3 yrs at college obtaining qualifications. Usually a little more respected in here than the Electrical Trainee short courses. All im after is advice on completing work that i don't totally feel out of my depth with. If anything was all too far out of my depth i wouldnt attempt it. Im even going down route of signing up to one of those schemes. (Or should i say scams?)

 

[alexknight0602]

Yes I agree with you, but at least he did ask , took a ribbing and got on with it and tried to make it better. He could of just left it an said nowt, and the pic would have found it's way on here eventually. Just needs to get a bit help or do some research to see what products are available. We know nothing about him , he may have experience in other avenues and has not encountered this before , I'm not saying it's right , just that he had the good sense to take on board advice he was given.

Thanks!
This is exactly my situation!

 

[snowhead]

View attachment 20111But this is how I do it , it's cheaper in today's climate and hardly anyone notices the difference.



this one lol , don't know how that happened.

You could have weighed in few more of those strands, only needs 1 in each direction..

 

[ruston]

It's just this type of ribbing you will get on site . Good luck, thick skin is a good start lol.

 

[alexknight0602]

It's just this type of ribbing you will get on site . Good luck, thick skin is a good start lol.

I know i have read plenty of post on here!

 

[KAS1]

I'm afraid to say, if I'd of given you that small job to do and you'd of produced that workmanship and you were employed as an electrician (tradesman) I'd of sent you packing (down the road/pumped) you would of not been up to the standard of a graded electrical operative IMO and maybe you could stay on as a trainee lol

 

[ruston]

You could have weighed in few more of those strands, only needs 1 in each direction..

I left that for the crocodile clip for testing , I like to do it right

 

[KAS1]

I think I must be in one of them sort of moods again today lol

 

[ruston]

I'm afraid to say, if I'd of given you that small job to do and you'd of produced that workmanship and you were employed as an electrician (tradesman) I'd of sent you packing (down the road/pumped) you would of not been up to the standard of a graded electrical operative IMO and maybe you could stay on as a trainee lol

If he had been working with you I have NO doubt it would be perfect -- grovel grovel

 

[KAS1]

I don't bother with the manual side (donkey work) anymore, I'd of just got someone else to put it right lol

 

[ruston]

I just don't bother with the manual , unless all else fails lol.

 

[alexknight0602]

I'm afraid to say, if I'd of given you that small job to do and you'd of produced that workmanship and you were employed as an electrician (tradesman) I'd of sent you packing (down the road/pumped) you would of not been up to the standard of a graded electrical operative IMO and maybe you could stay on as a trainee lol

Fair enough, but you may have been there to answer my questions if I was employed by you. I came on here and asked as no one else with me.

 

[Tiny Spark]

thick skin is a good start lol.

Thought it was a requirement of being a Sparky?
At least that's what my mentor always told me :sailor:

 

[ruston]

Thought it was a requirement of being a Sparky?
At least that's what my mentor always told me :sailor:

Aye , you don't get as many shocks

 

[davethsparky]

Ribbing? Who's had a ribbing in this thread? This is the most gentle forum I've ever joined!

You lot handle idiots without threatening violence or anything!

 

[davethsparky]

I can honestly say that when I saw the OP and read the thread from the beginning I was under the impression he is a dodgy diyer having a go at his own outdoor electrics.
If you are indeed carrying this out for a client who is under the impression you are a skilled tradesmen and is paying you as a skilled tradesman then I personally would advise your client to call trading standards.

I personally think it is unacceptable to carry out work on a clients property when you have openly admitted it is not something you are 100% confident with.
Have you told your customer that you are, by your own admission on here, a little bit out of your depth and are asking a bunch of people you don't know on the internet for advice after you are part way through the work?

When you fill in your certificate will you be ticking the famous 'some bloke on the internet said it was ok' box?

Doing a three year course at college and gaining a theory qualification is a good thing, don't get me wrong, but it is just a qualification in the theory side of the job. The practical side of the job is a whole different ball game and requires its own three years of training.
The qualification for being an electrician these days is made up of three parts: the C+G theory certificate (2330), the NVQ certificate (2356?) and the certficate of completion of an apprenticeship.

 

[Guest112]

Got there in the end??

almost there, put a small angle onto the banjo so the gland fits square and secure, also it seems you have used brass knuts as spacer for your 4mm brass slotted bolt, I would rather cut the bolt shorter and have it so the slotted side of the screw/bolt is at the top for ease of tightening, it looks as though this job you are doing is for an external supply and you are using this as a joint box to change from T&E from the house to Swa as it exits the box, I personally wouldn't use a galv box as some suggested in this situation, what you have done (almost complete) using an Ip rated enclosure and ensuring that you have earthed the armourings as well as the individual earth core (not taped up yet use the black taped up as cpc, grey taped up as neutral),

good of you to seek advice and take the criticism in a good stride can't fault you mate

 

[ruston]

almost there, put a small angle onto the banjo so the gland fits square and secure, also it seems you have used brass knuts as spacer for your 4mm brass slotted bolt, I would rather cut the bolt shorter and have it so the slotted side of the screw/bolt is at the top for ease of tightening, it looks as though this job you are doing is for an external supply and you are using this as a joint box to change from T&E from the house to Swa as it exits the box, I personally wouldn't use a galv box as some suggested in this situation, what you have done (almost complete) using an Ip rated enclosure and ensuring that you have earthed the armourings as well as the individual earth core (not taped up yet use the black taped up as cpc, grey taped up as neutral),

good of you to seek advice and take the criticism in a good stride can't fault you mate

When you see the lash ups of some of the "professionals" for real and from stock pics , at least he knew he was wrong and tried to do something about it. If he carries on that way hopefully we won't be looking at any of his pics in the future.

 

[Guitarist]

I think that the point many of us are making is simply this....
Why are you doing a job which you then had to ask the opinion of a forum about, before making it half-decent?

 

[ruston]

I think if he had come right out and asked how to gland off he would have had an even harder time. I for one would have ignored the post.

Most people would not have a clue how to gland SWA without some training , so I am giving him the benefit of the doubt, and assumed that he had SOME experience.

 

[Des 56]

I think that the point many of us are making is simply this....
Why are you doing a job which you then had to ask the opinion of a forum about, before making it half-decent?

He is spreading his wings and I can't fault him or anyone else for doing so

He also seems to be a product of our present day culture of relying on spreading your wings with not a parent bird available to help him fly


Hats off to the fella for putting his work on show and for accepting critisism of the work

If he can separate criticism of himself from criticism of the work standard,he can look forward to eventually finding his feet by himself

 

[Guitarist]

I think if he had come right out and asked how to gland off he would have had an even harder time. I for one would have ignored the post.

Most people would not have a clue how to gland SWA without some training , so I am giving him the benefit of the doubt, and assumed that he had SOME experience.

Exactly...

 

[Guitarist]

He is spreading his wings and I can't fault him or anyone else for doing so

He also seems to be a product of our present day culture of relying on spreading your wings with not a parent bird available to help him fly


Hats off to the fella for putting his work on show and for accepting critisism of the work

If he can separate criticism of himself from criticism of the work standard,he can look forward to eventually finding his feet by himself

Tbh though, this is pretty basic electrical installation work.

 

[ruston]

Exactly...

Honestly I see your point , and I did say " I'm not saying it is right" , but he has three years at college , better to give him a leg up than to turn out like the rest of the lash ups we see.

 

[Carlosfandango]

I can honestly say that when I saw the OP and read the thread from the beginning I was under the impression he is a dodgy diyer having a go at his own outdoor electrics.
If you are indeed carrying this out for a client who is under the impression you are a skilled tradesmen and is paying you as a skilled tradesman then I personally would advise your client to call trading standards.

I personally think it is unacceptable to carry out work on a clients property when you have openly admitted it is not something you are 100% confident with.
Have you told your customer that you are, by your own admission on here, a little bit out of your depth and are asking a bunch of people you don't know on the internet for advice after you are part way through the work?

When you fill in your certificate will you be ticking the famous 'some bloke on the internet said it was ok' box?

Doing a three year course at college and gaining a theory qualification is a good thing, don't get me wrong, but it is just a qualification in the theory side of the job. The practical side of the job is a whole different ball game and requires its own three years of training.
The qualification for being an electrician these days is made up of three parts: the C+G theory certificate (2330), the NVQ certificate (2356?) and the certficate of completion of an apprenticeship.

But how can the guy ever get experience if he doesn't try?
I think you've been a bit harsh, ideally he would have got experience from his journeyman but we don't know his background, maybe he had a poor apprenticeship(if he did one that is).

 

[Guitarist]

You can't just give people a "leg up" with practical skills over the internet...that's what apprenticeships are for!

I give up...

 

[Guitarist]

But how can the guy ever get experience if he doesn't try?
I think you've been a bit harsh, ideally he would have got experience from his journeyman but we don't know his background, maybe he had a poor apprenticeship(if he did one that is).

You get experience BEFORE being let loose on the general public...

 

[ruston]

Well thats fair enough, I don't think anyone has told him how to do it , only pointed out he was wrong.

 

[Des 56]

Tbh though, this is pretty basic electrical installation work.

Yes it is.I agree and he also made a pigs ear of it

What is more annoying to me than his attempts at doing a good job

He has gone to college and spent years of his precious time learning about a job and obviously coming away below what we presume is basic skill

He may never have had someone to take him through the practical and occasionally slap his wrist when he does make a pigs ear of a job

The fella has put in effort,he has spent time,he appears to be considerate of his work,he is looking for what is good and bad,the problem may very well be our society rather than the individual "there but for the grace of god go I" perhaps

 

[KAS1]

I totally agree, it's a sad state of the times we live in where these chaps are going out into the public's domain without the electrical knowledge to be competent to carry out electrical installations without contacting the internet for the basics

You get experience BEFORE being let loose on the general public...

 

[ruston]

I wasn't aware that this was a job for the public , I must of missed that.

 

[KAS1]

Perhaps it's on a "Test Rig" lol

 

[trev]

About three months before I finished my time my mother bought two (horrible brass) chandalier things, when I got in from work she asked me to get my mentor to come and put them up. Immediately I said I'd do it, it was two fittings in one room, no problem I could do it with my eyes closed.
She refused to let me do it because I wasn't qualified, regardless of the almost complete apprenticeship.

 

[Guitarist]

I wasn't aware that this was a job for the public , I must of missed that.

Regardless of who it was for, this was a demonstration of skills nonetheless.

My sincerest apologies for all the posts I have made. Regardless of the quality of work, the op has shown that they are conscientious, and that is far more important than anything else in this modern world. I wish them well.

 

[KAS1]

I like that, I'll add "Go forth and practice" and charge good money for it lol

 

[ruston]

Yes , I would rather have a man that asks than a smart --- that thinks they know it all.

 

[Des 56]

She refused to let me do it because I wasn't qualified

Mam knows best Trev

Your time will come young trev,she said in a very commanding tone, using a North Eastern language that is both strange and puzzling

"but not here not just yet young lad", "Now go and boil that kettle ready for a proper tradesman ,thats a good lad"

The translation into English does not do the sentence justice,but you get the drift I hope

 

[trev]

She refused to let me do it because I wasn't qualified

Mam knows best Trev

Your time will come young trev,she said in a very commanding tone, using a North Eastern language that is both strange and puzzling

"but not here not just yet young lad", "Now go and boil that kettle ready for a proper tradesman ,thats a good lad"

The translation into English does not do the sentence justice,but you get the drift I hope

Ya not deein it bonny lad ye divvent knaa wot ya deein. Noo gaan an git Bill, Ees telt ye aal ye knaa see far. N if ye divvent boil the kettle Aal clip ye.
As I remember the conversation went

 

[ruston]

She refused to let me do it because I wasn't qualified

Mam knows best Trev

Your time will come young trev,she said in a very commanding tone, using a North Eastern language that is both strange and puzzling

"but not here not just yet young lad", "Now go and boil that kettle ready for a proper tradesman ,thats a good lad"

The translation into English does not do the sentence justice,but you get the drift I hope

It's where they got the sketch from for "Only fools and horses". Guess who trev was

 

[trev]

Who decided it was pick on trev night?