labour

[dingledong]

I see the energy suppliers have not brought prices down because Labour has said it will freeze prices if they get in (fat chance) so the suppliers have not dropped prices because they will not be able to put them up and if they were reduced now they would struggle
Bloody Labour they are not in power and still making people pay more

 

[Octopus]

That was always going to happen.

We're in France and the locals have been telling us about the up taxes success of francois Hollande! Taxes up for all. No incentive to work. Youth unemployment going through the roof. The young and mobile leaving the country.

They are about to enter recession again and have at least 2 more years of this. They envy the growth of the UK.

 

[dingledong]

Yes they envy it then come over here to work !

 

[Guest77]

Thank god for Labour, NHS, minimum wage, a no racism policy, thank god for Labour.

 

[telectrix]

who wants to work for minimum wage? people should be paid according to their worth. so that's 652 politicians and 30,000 lawyers on the dole for starters. :smilielol5::smilielol5::smilielol5:

 

[dingledong]

cor you were slow today mike

 

[dingledong]

But I still have to pay over the odds for my energy because of bloody Labour and there stupid cheap trying desperAtely to get vote carp that they won't carry out when they get in ,just give themselves a rise a gain

 

[Silly Sausage]

Yes they envy it then come over here to work !

Get them over. I like a bowl of French onion soup with a crispy roll.

 

[Guest77]

who wants to work for minimum wage? people should be paid according to their worth. so that's 652 politicians and 30,000 lawyers on the dole for starters. :smilielol5::smilielol5::smilielol5:

A lot of people who were paid 1.50 an hour before labour stopped the tories exploiting the poor, unfortunately they are still doing it today by cutting around the red tape, how any working class man can vote for the Tories is to me unbelievable.

 

[rapparee]

The uk recovery is built mostly on consumers spending their ppi compensation £23bn, and a london propery bubble, it is not sustainable, real wage growth has been at its lowest since the 1920s

 

[Guest77]

The uk recovery is built mostly on consumers spending their ppi compensation £23bn, and a london propery bubble, it is not sustainable, real wage growth has been at its lowest since the 1920s

Yep and due to the fact thatcher helped to kill off all industry in this country we cannot export anything today to help the economy to recover, except weapons that is, we sell them to extremists.

 

[rapparee]

Yep and due to the fact thatcher helped to kill off all industry in this country we cannot export anything today to help the economy to recover, except weapons that is, we sell them to extremists.

Thatcherism would rather have the working classes employed in a call centre or bun shop, rather than a high value working class job such as miner, toolsetter, toolmaker, electrician etc the recent privatisation of the royal mail and current privatksation by stealth of the nhs and the policy of labour to renationalise the railways should give you a good indication of how you brits should vote in next election

 

[rapparee]

And as for the arms trade, i think the isis chickens will come home to roost within the next year with another terrorist attack likely in england,

 

[Diddy]

So the energy companies say they would have dropped prices if it were not for Labour and their threat to freeze prices. So what stopped them dropping prices during the rest of their "honeymoon" period of privatisation. The poor poor energy companies held to ransom by the big bad nasty labour party....they will be going to food banks next just to get some oats to feed their kids........Oh wait what I meant to write was bloody blood sucking parasites the lot of them, just another excuse to follow on from the rest that have been rolled out since the "Cartel" took over our energy.

 

[Diddy]

And as for the arms trade, i think the isis chickens will come home to roost within the next year with another terrorist attack likely in england,

Yep a biggie in England and also US in the next couple of years. All of them armed by us in the west originally as per the user manual.

 

[rapparee]

So the energy companies say they would have dropped prices if it were not for Labour and their threat to freeze prices. So what stopped them dropping prices during the rest of their "honeymoon" period of privatisation. The poor poor energy companies held to ransom by the big bad nasty labour party....they will be going to food banks next just to get some oats to feed their kids........Oh wait what I meant to write was bloody blood sucking parasites the lot of them, just another excuse to follow on from the rest that have been rolled out since the "Cartel" took over our energy.

What is the snps policy on energy

 

[dingledong]

Sorry I can only argue with one person at a time
But what it all boils down to is Labour is shyte and it's the work Dodgers who vote for them

And I have to go to work to pay for the statue of Maggie we are going to put up

 

[Diddy]

What is the snps policy on energy

Don't know why you asked me lol but since im a nice helpful sort here you go - http://www.snp.org/media-centre/news/2014/may/snp-publish-energy-priorities-europe
They certainly have not talked about renationalisation or anything like that. IF their is a yes vote in sept 18th then it will be game on for the scottish labour/lib dem/tories and snp to then come up with policies to shape scotland's future. I am quite firmly of the opinion that the SNP are a stepping stone that must be crossed either way once and for all.

 

[UNG]

Thank god for Labour, NHS, minimum wage, a no racism policy, thank god for Labour.

You can't blame god for Labour

A lot of people who were paid 1.50 an hour before labour stopped the tories exploiting the poor, unfortunately they are still doing it today by cutting around the red tape, how any working class man can vote for the Tories is to me unbelievable.

At least I got my first pay rise after 4 years when Thatcher came to No10

Yep and due to the fact thatcher helped to kill off all industry in this country we cannot export anything today to help the economy to recover, except weapons that is, we sell them to extremists.

The unions and the quality of what was being turned out the factory gate is what killed most of our industry, Red Robbo has a lot to answer for that guy totally screwed the Midlands car industry and Scargill tried to bring down a government while he milked the NUM and left the NUM members in poverty so much for the Labour ideals

 

[Guest77]

Sorry I can only argue with one person at a time
But what it all boils down to is Labour is shyte and it's the work Dodgers who vote for them

And I have to go to work to pay for the statue of Maggie we are going to put up

I haven't had a day off work with the exception of a holiday or a very rare occassion when sick for over 30 years, I vote Labour, am proud to do so and do not care who knows about it, the funny thing is that at least 40% of this forum voted for Tony Blair as well when his record breaking landslide victory occured, your all cowards and frightened to admit it

 

[telectrix]

this was scoffed at at the time, but how true it became:

 

[Guest77]

You can't blame god for Labour



At least I got my first pay rise after 4 years when Thatcher came to No10



The unions and the quality of what was being turned out the factory gate is what killed most of our industry, Red Robbo has a lot to answer for that guy totally screwed the Midlands car industry and Scargill tried to bring down a government while he milked the NUM and left the NUM members in poverty so much for the Labour ideals

I will never say ever I liked scargill, I didn't, when I talk about thatcher the miners situation is the last thing on my mind, the way she destroyed this country is what I refer to, all politicians are ----ers IMO, however the tories the worse of them by a million miles IMO, so up yours

 

[Guest77]

this was scoffed at at the time, but how true it became:

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Morning tel

 

[telectrix]

hi, mike. you and me. a bit like karl marx and adolph hitler, politically. or was it groucho marx? :smilielol5::smilielol5::smilielol5:

 

[Guest77]

Yeah we like disagree haha, all in fun though, I don't take it too seriously, all politicians are numpties IMO.

 

[dingledong]

We agree there

 

[dingledong]

And uncle Joe Stalin was a lot worse than uncle Adolf but I have to agree all politicians are ----ers except for good old Maggie then it just goes all the way down from the best to Tony the very very worst

 

[tidyboiler]

I thought this was going to be youtube vids of *One Born every Minute*..............:bow:

 

[Diddy]

And uncle Joe Stalin was a lot worse than uncle Adolf but I have to agree all politicians are ----ers except for good old Maggie then it just goes all the way down from the best to Tony the very very worst

A bit like the chicken and the egg scenario. She spawned him. If her ideology had not been accepted as the norm by the greedy folk who voted for her then Blair would not have turned out the way he did. She once was quoted as saying her best legacy was New Labour and Tony Blair. The fact that Cameron and the tories clapped him out of office says it all for me. Fair play though they couldn't beat him even with illegal wars under his belt. But Brown paid the price for all that.

 

[dingledong]

I honestly don't think so . I think no matter what he did he would have been a money grabbing greedy sly underhand lying evil selfish ----er

 

[Guest77]

A great prime minister

 

[trev]

The only thing I'm going to say on this thread is, Look at what you have to thank socialism for-
Universal education for every child free at the point of delivery.
Healthcare for all free at the point of delivery.
Legislation which governs the way an employer can treat their employees.
A standard working week.
The right to holidays.
Laws which govern how and when your child can be employed and the conditions they will be employed in.
Health & safety legislation
Minimum wage
I could go on but I won't. Now fair enough, some of those things are only relevant if your employed however, they all have benefited us all at some point in our lives.
Now let's look at what we have to thank Thatcherism for.
Division
Destruction of communities.
The police force being used as her private army.
The killing of several hundred young men on both sides during the Falklands conflict which she knew was coming but did nothing to avoid.
The destruction of our industry.
The sale of assets which you and I owned by virtue of our taxes.
Squandering of the money generated by north sea oil.
The UK being reduced to a betting shop style economy which led inexorably to the financial crisis of 2007/8. (caused by the banks not the government before any of the clowns start blowing that horn)
Once again, I could go on but I won't.
I'm done here.

 

[dingledong]

So brown selling gold great what socialist party are you talking about
Tony Blair and wife property speculating unfortunately my memory is not as good as yours but Labour is as bad as the Tories
So I can't think of a socialist party ,do you mean old Labour

 

[dingledong]

Start living now not in the 30's and 40's let's talk about the last ten years now what is Labour doing now stop banging on about healthcare etc that party is nothing like what they are now nothing

 

[Rockingit]

I've always described politics like this: Any *sensible* management of the western capitalist system will always end up with more or less the same size cake for the ingredients available. Politics is about who is holding the cake slice - sometimes you get a bigger bit, sometimes smaller, but it's still the same cake.

 

[Guest77]

well the last 5 years hasn't achieved anything has it? the NHS has been dismembered.

The post office sold for 3 billion under value, the Europeans making decisions about our future because Cameron vetoed it without permission from parliament, we are now looking at the decision making table from outside the window, 25 new taxes invented, 300,000 more people in poverty using food banks, more money being borrowed today than anytime in the 13 years of the new labour government, infact billions more, yet hardly mentioned by the media, tory MPs abusing police officers, passport control absolutely miles behind with a huge waiting time due to lack of civil servants because of tory cuts, the building for schools project abandoned due to cuts, Libraries closing due to cuts, costs to see your GP, tax breaks for millionaires, knight hoods for all the tory supporters, mistreatment of armed forces personel, teachers and firemen striking due to abuse of their pensions.

All politicians are ----ers, the tories the biggest by far.

 

[rapparee]

Start living now not in the 30's and 40's let's talk about the last ten years now what is Labour doing now stop banging on about healthcare etc that party is nothing like what they are now nothing

Tony blair and mo mowlam had the courage to sit down and do a peace deal with gerry adams and martin mcguinness. It was labours impartiality that gave irish nationalists the courqge to view them as honest brokers rather than adversaries, and although there was 69 bombs in northern ireland last year the good friday agreement is still in place

 

[Octopus]

Tony blair and mo mowlam had the courage to sit down and do a peace deal with gerry adams and martin mcguinness. It was labours impartiality that gave irish nationalists the courqge to view them as honest brokers rather than adversaries, and although there was 69 bombs in northern ireland last year the good friday agreement is still in place

Do you actually know who started the dialogue with the ira?

I bet you don't

It was John Major

 

[telectrix]

Do you actually know who started the dialogue with the ira?

I bet you don't

It was John Major

nothing new then, tories do all the hard work, new labour steal the credit.

 

[Guest77]

Right you lot have convinced me, I will vote Conservative like all you will at the next General election, I will turn in my Membership to the Labour party and change the curtains to Blue instead of red

 

[telectrix]

Right you lot have convinced me, I will vote Conservative like all you will at the next General election, I will turn in my Membership to the Labour party and change the curtains to Blue instead of red

you know it makes sense. this time next year we;ll be millionaires.

 

[trev]

Right you lot have convinced me, I will vote Conservative like all you will at the next General election, I will turn in my Membership to the Labour party and change the curtains to Blue instead of red

I know you're being sarcastic but I would rather travel to the Islamic State and volunteer to have my head hacked off with a bit of rusty barbed wire.

 

[Diddy]

So brown selling gold great what socialist party are you talking about
Tony Blair and wife property speculating unfortunately my memory is not as good as yours but Labour is as bad as the Tories
So I can't think of a socialist party ,do you mean old Labour

Brown selling the gold is nothing to do with him being socialist or not as it was sold to pay for investing in the things that 17 years of tory rule had all but destroyed. They (New Labour) made a pledge not to alter budgets plans for the 1st two terms of their parliament while still investing millions in the NHS/Eduction. The only way they could do this while still keeping their promises was to sell off gold and use PFI ect. Personally I would rather they had taxed us a few pence in the pound more and paid for it all that way.

When we here labour detractors talk about their last 3 terms in office all we hear about is 1. Illegal wars (Tories supported it and they traditionally love a war). 2. Selling off the gold 3. The spending in the last few years of government.
We don't hear about brand new hospitals that have been built up and down the country. No mention of the huge refurb program for other hospitals.....all of this has led to people not waiting a whole 18 months (At the end of tory rule) to see a consultant.
We also don't hear about the huge reduction in class sizes - Effected by more schools being built up and down the country and the refurb of old stock.....see a pattern ?
Crime fell year on year - Nope no mention of that either.
They also get blamed for the crash - even though it was a tory ideology and the continuing of their free market light touch regulation that allowed it to happen in this country....same for the USA - they followed the same principals and look where they are. BTW I see the current government have done loads to make sure that type of thing never happens again.......Oh **** no they must have forgotten already.
Don't get me wrong I wish labour had done a ton of the stuff they did differently and just done what old labour did which was be up front about tax and the need for it. The thing is we all want these services but we don't want to pay for them through tax...it's madness to think that a single user can get a better deal from the private sector for a service than they would if paying for that service through taxation......
Everybody slags off the NHS and yet the majority of us wouldn't even be here without them. Same for schools too...slag them off along with the teachers ect but in general they taught you to read/write and add up ffs.
I genuinely fear another tory led 5 years.....and if scotland do get indi then I fear a tory government for a generation probably until its too late to save anything this time.

 

[rapparee]

Do you actually know who started the dialogue with the ira?

I bet you don't

It was John Major

It was john major's faffing about that nearly stalled the peace process and led to the canary wharf bomb

 

[Silly Sausage]

...................

That's all very well and good, but it nearly bankrupted the country.
This was their fiscal legacy... BBC News - Treasury chief's note to successor: There's no money :smilielol5:

And as for the present Govt's borrowing, that's precisely what Labour have been bleating on about since the last election...Borrow, Borrow, Borrow!!!

 

[Guest77]

Brown selling the gold is nothing to do with him being socialist or not as it was sold to pay for investing in the things that 17 years of tory rule had all but destroyed. They (New Labour) made a pledge not to alter budgets plans for the 1st two terms of their parliament while still investing millions in the NHS/Eduction. The only way they could do this while still keeping their promises was to sell off gold and use PFI ect. Personally I would rather they had taxed us a few pence in the pound more and paid for it all that way.

When we here labour detractors talk about their last 3 terms in office all we hear about is 1. Illegal wars (Tories supported it and they traditionally love a war). 2. Selling off the gold 3. The spending in the last few years of government.
We don't hear about brand new hospitals that have been built up and down the country. No mention of the huge refurb program for other hospitals.....all of this has led to people not waiting a whole 18 months (At the end of tory rule) to see a consultant.
We also don't hear about the huge reduction in class sizes - Effected by more schools being built up and down the country and the refurb of old stock.....see a pattern ?
Crime fell year on year - Nope no mention of that either.
They also get blamed for the crash - even though it was a tory ideology and the continuing of their free market light touch regulation that allowed it to happen in this country....same for the USA - they followed the same principals and look where they are. BTW I see the current government have done loads to make sure that type of thing never happens again.......Oh **** no they must have forgotten already.
Don't get me wrong I wish labour had done a ton of the stuff they did differently and just done what old labour did which was be up front about tax and the need for it. The thing is we all want these services but we don't want to pay for them through tax...it's madness to think that a single user can get a better deal from the private sector for a service than they would if paying for that service through taxation......
Everybody slags off the NHS and yet the majority of us wouldn't even be here without them. Same for schools too...slag them off along with the teachers ect but in general they taught you to read/write and add up ffs.
I genuinely fear another tory led 5 years.....and if scotland do get indi then I fear a tory government for a generation probably until its too late to save anything this time.

Another sensible fellow like myself and Trev, good post mate :clap: (ps, I was joking about handing in my membership card )

 

[Guest77]

That's all very well and good, but it nearly bankrupted the country.
This was their fiscal legacy... BBC News - Treasury chief's note to successor: There's no money :smilielol5:

And as for the present Govt's borrowing, that's precisely what Labour have been bleating on about since the last election...Borrow, Borrow, Borrow!!!

Yes it is disgusting isn't it, we are now even poorer than 5 years ago and 300,000 more people cannot even feed themselves, third world Britain? we need a new Labour government and urgently IMHO.

 

[trev]

That's all very well and good, but it nearly bankrupted the country.
This was their fiscal legacy... BBC News - Treasury chief's note to successor: There's no money :smilielol5:

And as for the present Govt's borrowing, that's precisely what Labour have been bleating on about since the last election...Borrow, Borrow, Borrow!!!

Outgoing Treasury chiefs have been leaving that note for their successors for decades, this time round the incoming one decided to try to make political capital out of it and people fell for it.
The US responded to the financial crisis by investing in their industry and infrastructure and as a result came out of recession a lot quicker than the UK with more stability. What is your response to that?

 

[Octopus]

Right you lot have convinced me, I will vote Conservative like all you will at the next General election, I will turn in my Membership to the Labour party and change the curtains to Blue instead of red

Mike you surprise me. I had you down as a closet Liberal supporter. Lol

 

[trev]

BBC News - Devon and Cornwall Police may go bust, commissioner says
Really?
The coalition is great?
We need to make cuts?
FFS