LOT20 - just thought id start a rant

[suffolkspark]

LOT20... what an absolute joke

that is all....

 

[ruston]

It is , when they get the usage down they just put the energy prices up.
It takes what it takes to heat an area depending on the construction and insulation.
The standing charges are a joke too.

 

[Octopus]

anyone know what the OP is on about?

 

[telectrix]

rhought we were getting out of the bloody EU.

 

[ruston]

Aye new legislation from the EU on heating appliances.

 

[telectrix]

anyone know what the OP is on about?

EU directive on reducing heaters to the power of a candle to save energy. they won't provide overcoats though.

 

[Octopus]

EU directive on reducing heaters to the power of a candle to save energy. they won't provide overcoats though.

ah ha

So that's like limiting the power of vacuums .......... so cleaning will take longer

So thats like limiting the power of kettles ............... so boiling water will take longer

So no power saving ...............................

Anyone think the EU come up with these, to be quite frank, daft ideas, just to keep themselves busy ............

 

[Deleted member 26818]

rhought we were getting out of the bloody EU.
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As we want to trade with the EU after we leave, whatever we want to sell, will have to comply with EU Regulations.

 

[Octopus]

As we want to trade with the EU after we leave, whatever we want to sell, will have to comply with EU Regulations.

That's ever so slightly misleading........

If we want to sell products to the "other" 6.5 billion people, such products won't have to comply.

 

[Deleted member 26818]

That's ever so slightly misleading........

If we want to sell products to the "other" 6.5 billion people, such products won't have to comply.

Yes, but we would also be able to sell the items that do comply with the rest of the world.
So manufacturer’s can either produce one model that can be sold anywhere, or two.
One that can be sold anywhere and one that can only be sold outside of the EU.

 

[telectrix]

As we want to trade with the EU after we leave, whatever we want to sell, will have to comply with EU Regulations.

and the reverse is also true.we should have a UK regulation that vans don't rot away in 10 years. that'd upset mercedes.

 

[Des 56]

I have noticed lately,its finally being brought home to so many politicians and people that fantasy and reality are very different despite promises they are not

Its starting to become a " I told you so" smug feeling watching the debacle that is the negotiations to leave and what it actually will mean when we do leave the comfort of the EU

 

[telectrix]

comfort my arse. that's akin to the harold shipman care.

 

[Octopus]

Yes, but we would also be able to sell the items that do comply with the rest of the world.
So manufacturer’s can either produce one model that can be sold anywhere, or two.
One that can be sold anywhere and one that can only be sold outside of the EU.

Yes ......... then its a commercial decision for the manufacturer ......

There is nothing saying that ALL products, for sale around the world would need to meet EU standards.

The UK used to be really good at "badge" engineering so its not too difficult to produce slight variants of products....

 

[telectrix]

Yes ......... then its a commercial decision for the manufacturer ......

There is nothing saying that ALL products, for sale around the world would need to meet EU standards.

The UK used to be really good at "badge" engineering so its not too difficult to produce slight variants of products....

like the austin metro, MG metro, both a pile of jonk?

 

[Octopus]

like the austin metro, MG metro, both a pile of jonk?

Or like Audi and Seat ........................

Buy a Seat and get Audi quality.................

 

[Adam W]

It doesn't sound much different to making a car with the steering wheel on the other side so they can sell it to a different market, or selling electrical appliances with a voltage switch (which is often just for show).

I heard a report that there were plans to reintroduce the sale of champagne in pint sized bottles, which the French are more than happy to produce exclusively for the UK market.

If producing more than one variant to open up new markets is financially viable, I don't see why manufacturers would not want to.

 

[Taylortwocities]

both a pile of jonk?

Is that chinese junk?

 

[static zap]

...............

Anyone think the EU come up with these, to be quite frank, daft ideas, just to keep themselves busy ............

Cut back spending on science , then make DUMB scientific decisions .
...Good saving to be had with modern refrigeration ..
( heat recovery -may work ...so long as sewers don't
run too cool !)
Do we have no real engineers ?

 

[rapparee]

LOT 20

That means for us that the heaters we make have to have an electronic switch rather than a mechanical switch, a 2kw heater is still a 2kw heater.

It also means that for one particular range we no longer sell wall brackets with it. It now only comes with feet. This makes it a portable appliance and LOT 20 doesn't apply.

Get switched on to LOT 20 | Dimplex - https://www.dimplex.co.uk/news/get-switched-lot-20

We also spent hundreds of thousands to change tooling and testing to conform with this.

 

[ipf]

Or like Audi and Seat ........................

Buy a Seat and get Audi quality.................

What? With an Audi do you have to drive standing up unless you buy a seat?

 

[telectrix]

What? With an Audi do you have to drive standing up unless you buy a seat?

better off standing in an audi. that way your legs are ready to walk when it breaks down.

 

[KEV 1 N]

better off standing in an audi. that way your legs are ready to walk when it breaks down.

A mechanic pal of mine once told me in regards to VAG (VW AUDI GROUP) “VW / Audi ain’t what they used to be. Seems when they took on Skoda, Skoda learned a lot from VW, but also VW learned a lot from Skoda!”

 

[ruston]

A mechanic pal of mine once told me in regards to VAG (VW AUDI GROUP) “VW / Audi ain’t what they used to be. Seems when they took on Skoda, Skoda learned a lot from VW, but also VW learned a lot from Skoda!”

There is truth in that . To be fair the older Skodas' were better than the newer ones .
I have said this before; my mate has a fleet of Skoda Taxis from around 03 to present day. One of them was taken out of service just short of one million miles on the clock : Not because it was worn out , but because of it's age. It was sold on to one of the lads cheap, and is still running on the same engine to this date. They were all meticulously serviced and maintained. Most of them have over 3 hundred thousand miles on them , some over five hundred thousand.
The newer replacements are causing problems with nowhere near these mileages . Good business for one and not the other?
The newer Audis' are a more common sight in the workshop too; along with the Merc's

 

[Gavin John Hyde]

LOT20... what a bloody P**S take..
used to fit a certain heater for customers and wall mount it, the heater came with feet and wall brackets attached to bottom.
Now due to LOT20 they no longer include the brackets on the bottom and its no longer suitable for wall mounting... have to use the feet only..
Except it is exactly the same model, same thermostat controls etc.. same power output and usage... only difference is the lack of little metal brackets....
But being a lot20 model they charge an extra £6.99!!
As i said a P**S take! i have acquired my own source of suitable brackets though

 

[static zap]

but also VW learned a lot from Skoda!”

Fiddling emissions ?

 

[rapparee]

LOT20... what a bloody P**S take..
used to fit a certain heater for customers and wall mount it, the heater came with feet and wall brackets attached to bottom.
Now due to LOT20 they no longer include the brackets on the bottom and its no longer suitable for wall mounting... have to use the feet only..
Except it is exactly the same model, same thermostat controls etc.. same power output and usage... only difference is the lack of little metal brackets....
But being a lot20 model they charge an extra £6.99!!
As i said a P**S take! i have acquired my own source of suitable brackets though

We sell the brackets separately

 

[Adam W]

better off standing in an audi. that way your legs are ready to walk when it breaks down.

There's a stigma attached to driving an Audi; if you drive an Audi that makes you 'an Audi driver' - the new 'BMW driver'.
I've never owned or even driven an Audi, but I have driven past a lot of Audis which have broken down at the side of the road. Also either the indicators are extremely unreliable or the 'type of people' who drive them don't seem to think they need to bother indicating.

 

[Adam W]

It also means that for one particular range we no longer sell wall brackets with it. It now only comes with feet. This makes it a portable appliance and LOT 20 doesn't apply.

This sounds like the idea behind chopping plugs off appliances and wiring them into FCUs so you don't have to bother PAT testing them because "the P is for Portable".

 

[Wilko]

There's a stigma attached to driving an Audi; if you drive an Audi that makes you 'an Audi driver' - the new 'BMW driver'.
Also either the indicators are extremely unreliable or the 'type of people' who drive them don't seem to think they need to bother indicating.

Makes me smile. Over the last 10 yrs I've had BMW, then Audi and now a Skoda to try and keep out of this "busted blinkers" set, and of course to save up for the Ferrari van .

 

[pirate]

Oh no...I've been stigmatised!
...love my Audi though

 

[pirate]

Of course, I could be The Stig...

 

[Spoon]

Oh no...I've been stigmatised!
...love my Audi though

At least you are not a BMW driver..

 

[pirate]

I am thankful for that! Especially not an M series one...
I never let them out at junctions.

 

[Lucien Nunes]

It's not entirely a joke. Loads of people are dumb enough that a 4-bit microcontroller in a product can do a better job of managing their energy consumption. And it's totally different to the vacuum cleaner thing. Cheap high-powered vacuums didn't clean any better, they just dissipated more heat because it was cheaper for makers to sell an inefficient 1400W cleaner than an efficient 500W one with the same suction power. The regs on that were to reverse the trend to cheap rubbish inefficient fans. Of course you can't make a heater more efficient (the video is a bit misleading on that) so you have to make a more efficient user. And firmware upgrades to users are contentious from a human rights perspective!

 

[sparksburnout]

There's a stigma attached to driving an Audi; if you drive an Audi that makes you 'an Audi driver' - the new 'BMW driver'.
I've never owned or even driven an Audi, but I have driven past a lot of Audis which have broken down at the side of the road. Also either the indicators are extremely unreliable or the 'type of people' who drive them don't seem to think they need to bother indicating.

That's because a lot of them are a bit daft and have actually run out of fuel not broken down.

 

[Deleted member 26818]

The car in front is no longer a Toyota, it’s an Audi.
Pull over and stop holding everyone up.