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What happens when the householder goes to B&Q and replaces said switch with a nice metal one?
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What happens when the householder goes to B&Q and replaces said switch with a nice metal one?
Exactly, is there a 'common loop' terminal on an intermediate switch?
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Rewire?
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No need when you can just connector block earths.
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We'll have to get the manufacters to lobby the IET to somehow change or remove reg 412.2.3.2
Though not a bad idea really, there is a few I'd like to change, perhaps we can start our own lobby
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Its different because there is less cables....duh
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Well you are entitled to your opinion but you can not back up your claim to it being bad practice so therefore it is wrong of you to say it is.
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O.k so you also want to stop takeing CPC's to switches and when someone wants a chrome switch adding you tell them they need a rewire....Absolute nonsense....
And if you are wiring loops in switches you are always going to have CPC's there anyway...so bit of a numb nut scenario really wasn't it.
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Tell me, what did your fail comment follow up....Mine and novus's discussion on removing cpc cables from switch's.....and why it is different having cpc's linked by a connector block and not neutrals aswell. Because neutrals needent be there and this only enforces the fact that there is not enough room at the switch because the CPC is already Connector blocked.
Major fail on your behalf
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Do you see? If you're connecting a cpc in there why not a neutral? Having everything in the switch pattress saves having to stuff it all behind a wall light together with a bit of connector block for a live loop.
There is one switch in a room whereas there might be 9 downlighters and maybe several wall lights to boot - trying to find which one the live loops in would be akin to a game of deal or no deal.
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What happens when the householder goes to B&Q and replaces said switch with a nice metal one?
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Exactly, is there a 'common loop' terminal on an intermediate switch?
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Adam W
If the householder saw the need to replace the switch with a different type (ie metal rather than plastic) that would be bad planning on the part of the designer.
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Electricalserv
Rewire?
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Rewire.
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Electricalserv
No need when you can just connector block earths.
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Why?? Because that is my honest opinion of this wiring method, so why would i change my opinion, certainly not going to change it based on what's been written here... And as i said, i'm not going to change your opinion, that this is a good wiring method, ...end of as far as i'm concerned!!!
As far as ''Surely you can see that pic of the switch was down to poor design as is the idea of 7 cables at a light, therefore that is not a reason to rubish this method.'' that to me, is just making excuses and ignoring the fact that this is exactly what's going on out there. As for the multiple cables at the light, I already stated i think, that the 7 cables thing was bad design at work...
As far as ''Surely you can see that pic of the switch was down to poor design as is the idea of 7 cables at a light, therefore that is not a reason to rubish this method.'' that to me, is just making excuses and ignoring the fact that this is exactly what's going on out there. As for the multiple cables at the light, I already stated i think, that the 7 cables thing was bad design at work...
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Can you? So how is that different to connector blocking neutrals?
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We'll have to get the manufacters to lobby the IET to somehow change or remove reg 412.2.3.2
Though not a bad idea really, there is a few I'd like to change, perhaps we can start our own lobby
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Good plan - we could march on parliament. Maybe we could disrupt the royal wedding - there's still time! "No to 412.2.3.2!"We'll have to get the manufacters to lobby the IET to somehow change or remove reg 412.2.3.2
Though not a bad idea really, there is a few I'd like to change, perhaps we can start our own lobby
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Electricalserv
Its different because there is less cables....duh
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Adam W
... But then you get less cables at the light fitting, which might not have a pattress to hide them in.
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Well you are entitled to your opinion but you can not back up your claim to it being bad practice so therefore it is wrong of you to say it is.
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O.k so you also want to stop takeing CPC's to switches and when someone wants a chrome switch adding you tell them they need a rewire....Absolute nonsense....
And if you are wiring loops in switches you are always going to have CPC's there anyway...so bit of a numb nut scenario really wasn't it.
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Electricalserv
When did I say anything about not taking CPCs to switches?
Tell me, what did your fail comment follow up....Mine and novus's discussion on removing cpc cables from switch's.....and why it is different having cpc's linked by a connector block and not neutrals aswell. Because neutrals needent be there and this only enforces the fact that there is not enough room at the switch because the CPC is already Connector blocked.
Major fail on your behalf
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Yes it is absolute nonsense - it makes about as much sense as not wanting to take a neutral to the switch because then the switch box would be a joint box.
Do you see? If you're connecting a cpc in there why not a neutral? Having everything in the switch pattress saves having to stuff it all behind a wall light together with a bit of connector block for a live loop.
There is one switch in a room whereas there might be 9 downlighters and maybe several wall lights to boot - trying to find which one the live loops in would be akin to a game of deal or no deal.
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