New kitchen does it need own fusebox or change just the mains fusebox?

[nicebutdim]

My worry is, that we bought an expensive fridge cooker and washing machine and this may invalidate the warranty???

It won't and it's good practice.

Edit: I should add that, if I've read your post correctly, your electrician is ensuring that a fault with one appliance won't affect power supply to any other.

 

[Ell4848]

It won't and it's good practice.

I read in some forums that people read in the manual that it invalidates warranty

 

[Ell4848]

I read in some forums that people read in the manual that it invalidates warranty

I'm going to check all the manuals tomorrow

 

[brianmoooore]

Connection should be via a fused connection unit, incorporating the same fuse rating as the plug that was cut off, but otherwise, no.

 

[nicebutdim]

I read in some forums that people read in the manual that it invalidates warranty

Think of it another way and forget about what manuals might state...

If you damaged an appliance flex and had it replaced, would you expect this to void the warranty? Consumer law would not be on the manufacturer's side, should they reject a claim under such circumstances.

 

[ipf]

It won't invalidate warranty if done correctly......but why hard wire appliances if they come with a 13a plug connected? If you have problems with them it just creates more.
Is he talking about FCU's at worktop height with sockets below?

 

[Ell4848]

It won't invalidate warranty if done correctly......but why hard wire appliances if they come with a 13a plug connected? If you have problems with them it just creates more.
Is he talking about FCU's at worktop height with sockets below?

Hi

Does it really cause more problems? I'm reading Conflicting reports.

Yes FCU at worktop with hardwire behind cooker

 

[ipf]

Hi

Does it really cause more problems? I'm reading Conflicting reports.

Yes FCU at worktop with hardwire behind cooker

Hard wire down to a socket at low level.....for plugging in the appliance, as a rule.

 

[Ell4848]

Hard wire down to a socket at low level.....for plugging in the appliance, as a rule.

Sorry what do you mean exactly

 

[Ell4848]

Hard wire down to a socket at low level.....for plugging in the appliance, as a rule.

Its about a 1/3 down from the grill pan

 

[Ell4848]

Its about a 1/3 down from the grill pan

Hard wire down to a socket at low level.....for plugging in the appliance, as a rule.

Or between a 1/3 and halfway down

 

[ipf]

Sorry what do you mean exactly

A FCU/ isolation point at work top height, to isolate a socket outlet at lower level, behind the kitchen units, supplying an appliance. A method used regularly in kitchens.

 

[littlespark]

Socket in adjacent cupboard.

Sometimes there’s not enough space directly behind an appliance for a plug.

You need to be able to isolate an appliance quickly… so switch above worktop, or accessible socket.

I also think myself you need to be able to quickly remove an appliance from the property if it starts smoking.

 

[Ell4848]

Socket in adjacent cupboard.

Sometimes there’s not enough space directly behind an appliance for a plug.

You need to be able to isolate an appliance quickly… so switch above worktop, or accessible socket.

I also think myself you need to be able to quickly remove an appliance from the property if it starts smoking.

The isolation switch is above worktop level and the hardwire is behind the cooker

 

[Avo Mk8]

The isolation switch is above worktop level and the hardwire is behind the cooker

When you mention "cooker", do you mean with a hob on top, grill and oven(s)? Or is it just an oven unit?
If the former it needs a circuit rated for a cooker, and a proper cooker switch, not a 13A fcu. And not a 13A plug

 

[ipf]

The isolation switch is above worktop level and the hardwire is behind the cooker

I know different people can go off at tangents to the point in question but I'm wondering if you are any wiser to the situation?

 

[Ell4848]

When you mention "cooker", do you mean with a hob on top, grill and oven(s)? Or is it just an oven unit?
If the former it needs a circuit rated for a cooker, and a proper cooker switch, not a 13A fcu. And not a 13A plug

Its a gas double oven with electric grill option and 4 gas hobs

 

[Ell4848]

I know different people can go off at tangents to the point in question but I'm wondering if you are any wiser to the situation?

Not really no. Sorry to say this about women on their behalf and mine but im a woman and pretty much clueless

 

[Avo Mk8]

Its a gas double oven with electric grill option and 4 gas hobs

OK, fine. That's a combination I didn't consider! No problem with the proposed arrangements.

There's been much said on the interweb about cutting off of an appliance plug invalidating warranty.
It's generally considered here to be a myth.

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[ipf]

Not really no. Sorry to say this about women on their behalf and mine but im a woman and pretty much clueless

So it seems...........sorry, only joking, Ell .......and to all our competent women members.

I think it might be best if you had a word with your electrician for a decent explanation that you can understand, to put your mind at rest. Ask why there is any need for fixed wired appliances (rather than plug-in). I've a feeling there might not be....and there may be no intention of using them. If there is, you'll know why.

 

[Ell4848]

Can a plug socket (not hardwired) be at the back of a fridge freezer, providing there is an isolation switch. Im going to ask my electrician but wanted to ask here too

 

[DPG]

Can a plug socket (not hardwired) be at the back of a fridge freezer, providing there is an isolation switch. Im going to ask my electrician but wanted to ask here too

What do you mean by not hard wired? Do you mean an extension cable that is plugged into a different socket somewhere?

Better to have a 'proper' fixed socket while the wiring is being redone.

 

[Ell4848]

What do you mean by not hard wired? Do you mean an extension cable that is plugged into a different socket somewhere?

Better to have a 'proper' fixed socket while the wiring is being redone.

Its a standard 3 pin socket behind the fridge

 

[DPG]

Its a standard 3 pin socket behind the fridge

Yes a standard socket can be fitted behind a fridge. This is very common.

 

[Ell4848]

Yes a standard socket can be fitted behind a fridge. This is very common.

But with an isolation switch
I've read a plug socket behind the fridge (and this is a third up from the base of the bridge) is dangerous. Because of heat and leaks? That's what I read
But we have an isolation switch

 

[pc1966]

It is quite common in Scotland where the building regulations specify that "white goods" should have an accessible means of isolation to have an un-switched 13A socket behind the fridge/washing machine/etc and then a 20A switch above the worktop area so you can switch it off without having the move it.

EDIT: By "quite common" I mean in newer kitchens wired by an electrician.

 

[ipf]

But with an isolation switch
I've read a plug socket behind the fridge (and this is a third up from the base of the bridge) is dangerous. Because of heat and leaks? That's what I read
But we have an isolation switch

Plenty bull***t around.......and not just on the internet.
Read and take in #112 and #120. Get the electrician to explain his intentions instead of faffing about and, seemingly, getting nowhere.

 

[Ell4848]

Plenty bull***t around.......and not just on the internet.
Read and take in #112 and #120. Get the electrician to explain his intentions instead of faffing about and, seemingly, getting nowhere.

Oh so our electrician completed 2nd fix today and installed plug sockets. He put a plug socket behind the cooker about a 3rd in from the ground amd and isolation switch on the wall to the left. I thought it would be hard wired. Is this safe? Its a double gas oven with option for electric grill inside

I spoke to my electrician and he explained its safe but I didnt understand the terms he used

 

[Ell4848]

Oh so our electrician completed 2nd fix today and installed plug sockets. He put a plug socket behind the cooker about a 3rd in from the ground amd and isolation switch on the wall to the left. I thought it would be hard wired. Is this safe? Its a double gas oven with option for electric grill inside

I spoke to my electrician and he explained its safe but I didnt understand the terms he used

The heat won't melt the plug?

 

[littlespark]

You say “option” for an electric grill? Is it there or not?
Otherwise, the electric is just for an igniter or clock. Hardly any load.
Even with a grill, that’s only maybe 2800W. Fine on a plug, IF the appliance came with a plug fitted. If not, would have put into a connection plate.

Should still be on its own circuit at over 2kW not just off the general sockets ring.

 

[Ell4848]

You say “option” for an electric grill? Is it there or not?
Otherwise, the electric is just for an igniter or clock. Hardly any load.
Even with a grill, that’s only maybe 2800W. Fine on a plug, IF the appliance came with a plug fitted. If not, would have put into a connection plate.

Should still be on its own circuit at over 2kW not just off the general sockets ring.

Its the belling 60g cookcentre its 2 gas and an electric grill so basically you can use the 2nd oven as a grill

 

[Ell4848]

Its the belling 60g cookcentre its 2 gas and an electric grill so basically you can use the 2nd oven as a grill

You say “option” for an electric grill? Is it there or not?
Otherwise, the electric is just for an igniter or clock. Hardly any load.
Even with a grill, that’s only maybe 2800W. Fine on a plug, IF the appliance came with a plug fitted. If not, would have put into a connection plate.

Should still be on its own circuit at over 2kW not just off the general sockets ring.

It came with a plug and we have our own fusebox just for the new electrics in the kitchen

 

[ipf]

Oh so our electrician completed 2nd fix today and installed plug sockets. He put a plug socket behind the cooker about a 3rd in from the ground amd and isolation switch on the wall to the left. I thought it would be hard wired. Is this safe? Its a double gas oven with option for electric grill inside

I spoke to my electrician and he explained its safe but I didnt understand the terms he used

I give up!

 

[nicebutdim]

The heat won't melt the plug?

Nothing in the description of works carried out raises cause for concern.

 

[Grant1987]

It came with a plug and we have our own fusebox just for the new electrics in the kitchen

The electrician has done a good job and from what you’ve explained on here raises no issue to concern. I really don’t understand what you’re problem is with the electrician. You’re looking for faults on here but absolutely nothing wrong with the install pay him up

 

[Ell4848]

The electrician has done a good job and from what you’ve explained on here raises no issue to concern. I really don’t understand what you’re problem is with the electrician. You’re looking for faults on here but absolutely nothing wrong with the install pay him up

Of course I paid him!
I was double checking some things. It was a big refurbishment of the whole kitchen and it was completed Tuesday 21st December and they only asked for payment on 23rd

The building company didn't charge me for any of the sockets just for the new fusebox and 1st fix and a certificate

Do you usually have to pay for a certificate as an additional cost or does that just come as a package with a new fusebox

Merry Christmas by the way

 

[littlespark]

The test certificate should come as part of the work, as it’s not actually complete without the cert, neither should it be energised before being tested….. however, many electricians who have been stung in the past concerning being paid on time hold back the cert until payment has been made. The testing and certificate has been done, it’s just not in the hands of the customer.

If you’ve paid, there’s no reason to withhold the cert.

 

[Ell4848]

Hi All

I received the electrical certificate just to confirm we had new wiring in the kitchen and fusebox and on the cert it just says new kitchen circuits then on another page he has listed what circuits etc

Should it say "fusebox installed" also
?

He has also sent me the building regulations paperwork he is NICEIC registered

Before asking him i just don't want to sound stupid

Thank you

 

[Ell4848]

Hi All

I received the electrical certificate just to confirm we had new wiring in the kitchen and fusebox and on the cert it just says new kitchen circuits then on another page he has listed what circuits etc

Should it say "fusebox installed" also
?

He has also sent me the building regulations paperwork he is NICEIC registered

Before asking him i just don't want to sound stupid

Thank you

Does it need to say something along the lines of "new kitchen fusebox installed for new kitchen circuits "

It just says "new kitchen circuits "

 

[pc1966]

Devil might be in the details, it should at least identify the fact there is more than one DB (CU) now, though all that really matters is the new circuits were properly designed and implemented (i.e. tested)

 

[ipf]

Devil might be in the details, it should at least identify the fact there is more than one DB (CU) now, though all that really matters is the new circuits were properly designed and implemented (i.e. tested)

Something tells me that things could well be well in order. It's sometimes all about being able to interpret information given. As previously advised, it's no doubt the best way forward to get a full explanation from the person who best knows......the installer.......rather that tie yourself in knots.
If not happy, get someone else qualified to take a look.