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The word competent seems to govern most of the trade and anyone can claim to be it. It's very frustratingAbsolutely, I agree, as the proud holder of a C&G 2391 qualification. But there are very little regulations governing test and inspection, merely the 'competent' word.
It will never happen, the DIs the schemes approve who are just qualified pay the fees that keep the schemes alive, this is a no go and will never happen fella.surely this needs implementing into the industry?
lots of companys seem to employ anyone
thoughts?
I like your post but grading isn;t about money, well okay it might be now but it was about ability when the JIB meant something, a Technician was always far superior in experience than an Electrician, it wasn't easy to get a Technicians card, it might be today, so okay fair point lolI did c&g 2360 pt 1 & 2, 16th edition, done 17th now, am1, cg 2391. 1999.
Boss wouldn’t pay for am2. Lecturer said nvq stood for ‘not very qualified’ as such I am graded just below bog cleaner.
Grading is about money, always has and always will be. I see approved sparks day in day out who haven’t got a clue. They wouldn’t know how to turn a tester on never mind be capable of using one.
So no, I also disagree
We heard you the first time AndySurely an electrician's core training should leave them competent to test their installed work ?
Sorry, haven’t read any of the other comments, just responding to the initial post.surely this needs implementing into the industry?
lots of companys seem to employ anyone
thoughts?
My little brother does, got his 2391 in 2008.I have not run in to a Gold Card JIB holder who holds a 2391 testing qualification as yet, when asked they say never needed one.
So its not just DI schemes
My little brother does, got his 2391 in 2008.
He just does initial verifications though.
Hasn’t asked me for advice now for a few years.
Of course, I’m one of those who’s never needed one.
The thing is that is what an approved electrician is, not NIC approved electrician that is a different thing altogether. So I am saying only JIB gold card could do such work.I have not run in to a Gold Card JIB holder
The thing is that is what an approved electrician is, not NIC approved electrician that is a different thing altogether. So I am saying only JIB gold card could do such work.
IMO everyone installing electrical work should be able to test.
I dont understand how the 5W courses can teach someone the basic fundamentals of electrics and the science behind testing in a short space of time.
Anyone who has completed a proper training course NVQ3, 230 part 1&2 should be capable in my opinion.
When i trained the requirements for doing 2391 was that you had already passed your 230 part 1&2 (NVQ3) personally I think they should bring this back.
Although it will never happen.
IMO everyone installing electrical work should be able to test.
I dont understand how the 5W courses can teach someone the basic fundamentals of electrics and the science behind testing in a short space of time.
Anyone who has completed a proper training course NVQ3, 230 part 1&2 should be capable in my opinion.
When i trained the requirements for doing 2391 was that you had already passed your 230 part 1&2 (NVQ3) personally I think they should bring this back.
Although it will never happen.
The industry has changed now, years ago an Electrician had to be supervised by an Approved Electrician for example, he was under an Approved and usually had a couple of years to prove his worth before being allowed to work alone without supervision. Today they have broken the trade up into lots of areas, years ago we did everything. It is no problem IMO an Electrician testing his or her own work, they do not have the scope of work these days that there used to be and usually concentrate on either Domestic or Commercial etc, if you install anything you need to be able to test it, so I also disagree with the OP on this occassion.
In the late 70s early 80s mate, I didn't know about the exam, just what I said about being 23 or 2 years, that is how we had it here.I think, I know I've told this story before; when I finished my apprenticeship, my college asked if I wanted to take an exam to have Approved status, .
Is that all you got lol? I thought a man like you would be a technician, chuckle, just yanking your chain fellaI think, I know I've told this story before; when I finished my apprenticeship, my college asked if I wanted to take an exam to have Approved status, I did and I passed. No two years, no being supervised. That was back in 1978. So how far back are we going?
And when I decided to give sparkying another go in 2013, after a 28 year break, the JIB renewed my Approved status after an admin fee & multi choice H&S exam.
Make all Apprenticeships a 5 year course, the Regs statutory, all work notifiable, mandatory 5 year EICR on all property, Oh well, I can dream!
I have the following points
1 I was always told your not an electrician if you can't test
2 The impression I get from posts on this forum is that these training outfits just seem to teach to pass the exam not teach the subject.
You can become an Electrician if you pass the 17 or 18th exam as it will be in January, apparently.Some of them just show Power points and pass you anyway
People have been saying that for yonks, but nothing gets done does it?Some of them just show Power points and pass you anyway
Just power points, no light fittings?Some of them just show Power points and pass you anyway
Just power points, no light fittings?
2391-20 Design & Verification would be minimum in my eyes to be able to work alone.
2391-10 was a hard exam though, even for people with a good knowledge. When I did mine I was the only one to pass despite everyone being a practising electrician.
Well, they don't teach that particular qualification anymore, like they don't teach 16th Edition anymore. It's obsolete so cannot be a minimum anymore.And?
And? You stinkAnd?
Play nicely Muppet 0And? You stink
Play nicely MuppetAnd? You stink
Play nicely Muppet
Errr 2396 is Design and Verification. It's a level 4 qualification
Well, they don't teach that particular qualification anymore, like they don't teach 16th Edition anymore. It's obsolete so cannot be a minimum anymore.
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