Part P & Testing

[Heisenberg]

Part P does not cover inspecting and testing.
Part P only covers electrical installation work.
Napit only insist that you have public liability, I assume because you are a member of their Part P scheme, which by virtue of being Part P does not cover Inspections and Testing of existing installations.
However I feel fairly certain that if you were to join their scheme for Insprction and Testing, they would insist you have professional indemnity.

The OP is with Elecsa, not Napit. However, you are correct, Napit want you to have 250k worth of indemnity and have your 2391 or equiv, if you want to test and inspect.

 

[Deleted member 26818]

I don't know where I got Napit from?

 

[CLB]

Ok, I'm totally confused now. From what's been said, one doesn't need to be 2391 to do an inspection & test on an installation one hasn't overseen or installed, but 17th Edition isn't enough to be able to issue an EIC on that same install either???
If the original sparky who installed the cabling etc isn't available for whatever reason, who can issue the EIC in his place?

 

[Des 56]

Ok, I'm totally confused now. From what's been said, one doesn't need to be 2391 to do an inspection & test on an installation one hasn't overseen or installed, but 17th Edition isn't enough to be able to issue an EIC on that same install either???
If the original sparky who installed the cabling etc isn't available for whatever reason, who can issue the EIC in his place?

Sorry CLB,but you don't seem to be accepting the basic fact that it is the installing electrician who issues an EIC

No one may issue the EIC for another companies installation,therefore you can offer, "to who it may concern" an EICR

In order to carry out the EICR you need no qualification,but the customer or Labc or whoever is involved in the problem may insist that someone who can demonstrate competence,possibly by using a schemes paperwork,only those persons can issue an acceptable EICR

 

[Heisenberg]

Can't help but think that the change of name from PIR to EICR has added to the confusion that some people seem to have.

 

[Geoffsd]

At least we don't connect pieces of paper to outside lights anymore.

 

[Steve_P]

I think most people get this question on a regular basis. There really are only a limited number of answers to the customer/estate agent/solicitor.

1. You can have an EICR (was PIR) but NOT an EIC
2. Track down the original spark and get them to issue the EIC.
3. Buy indemnity insurance for the electrical work.

 

[MDJ]

Can't help but think that the change of name from PIR to EICR has added to the confusion that some people seem to have.

yep agree, they only did it so they could change the certificates and rip us off, I buy dozens of pads and then they change them LMAO, these guys in suites making decisions.

 

[valleybilly]

Come across this afew times , Builder/client slagging the spark only to find later its the spark who's been done over with unpaid extra work and therefor refusing to issue certs which he's perfectly entitled to under the Elecsa banner anyway , I'd do the job but wait till there funds had cleared before releasing any documentation they want .


PS , you dont need to remove meter tails to do Ze / Zs lol

 

[CLB]

Come across this afew times , Builder/client slagging the spark only to find later its the spark who's been done over with unpaid extra work and therefor refusing to issue certs which he's perfectly entitled to under the Elecsa banner anyway , I'd do the job but wait till there funds had cleared before releasing any documentation they want .


PS , you dont need to remove meter tails to do Ze / Zs lol

In this instance though, the sparks has been paid and he's ****ed off to another part of the country to work there. He's not answering any calls from the builder but he's known to be working.
There must be a procedure in place for someone else to issue an EIC if the original sparks has disappeared, or died, or left the industry, or is just plain refusing to do it. It's not that I'm not accepting it, if that's the rules then that's the rules and I'll do an EICR and that will have to suffice until such time that the building is rewired again and a new EIC can be issued properly. I just wanted ot know if there is ANY instance where an EIC can be issued by anyone other than the person who did the work. It appears not.

 

[Geoffsd]

There must be a procedure in place for someone else to issue an EIC

How many more times? NO.
You can only issue an EIC for your own work.
If there is a way for you to class this installation as your own work then let us know.

if the original sparks has disappeared, or died, or left the industry, or is just plain refusing to do it. It's not that I'm not accepting it, if that's the rules then that's the rules and I'll do an EICR

Good.

and that will have to suffice until such time that the building is rewired again and a new EIC can be issued properly.

Yes, I suppose.

I just wanted ot know if there is ANY instance where an EIC can be issued by anyone other than the person who did the work. It appears not.

NO. What difference does it make to you?

 

[CLB]

How many more times? NO.
You can only issue an EIC for your own work.
If there is a way for you to class this installation as your own work then let us know.


Good.


Yes, I suppose.


NO. What difference does it make to you?

It makes the difference whether I issue an EIC or not. Ta.

 

[MDJ]

We have told you in a friendly manner you cannot certify someone elses work and issue a EIC as if it was your own work, you can only test it and issue A EICR, a report, not a certifcation, what do you want from us?

 

[Deleted member 26818]

I believe that some LABCs will in these sorts of circumstances, arrange for a 3 signature EIC to be issued.
Obviously whoever id inspecting the installation would sign for the I&T, but as for who would sign for design and construction, I do not know.
Perhaps the builder?

 

[CLB]

We have told you in a friendly manner you cannot certify someone elses work and issue a EIC as if it was your own work, you can only test it and issue A EICR, a report, not a certifcation, what do you want from us?

I didn't much care for Geoffs condescending attitude. Everyone else has been very helpful. I asked a question and got good answers from 99% of those who responded, for which I am grateful. At the end of the thread I wanted to clarify a point of confusion I had and that too has been answered.
And thanks also to spinlondon for his informative reply.

 

[MDJ]

Well if you got what you wanted from the thread then alls well that ends well then, still disagree though, have a nice day anyhow, all the best.