Please Explain The Lack Of Brexit

[elsparko]

we have MPs getting fired just for making lewd comments 15 years ago, yet groups of men in pyjamas can openly call for murder of westerners, whilst living here at our expense.

you obviously dont know enough about islam to even debate on this topic, go read the quran.

 

[elsparko]

our police cant even enter mosques without taking their shoes off, can you imagine a drug dealer asking the police not to raid their property and the police actually abiding by it? finsbury park mosque, where a vast portion of the terrorist attended, not even raided.

 

[Deleted member 26818]

Not interested in the Quran, Islam or Muslims.
I’m interested in facts and the truth that you seem to want to ignore.
Teressa May before she became the Prime Minister was the Home Secretary.
She has been reducing the Police and Security budget since the Tories came to power.
Now you want the security forces to do something which Teresa May is preventing them from doing.
You blame Merkel.

 

[Deleted member 26818]

our police cant even enter mosques without taking their shoes off, can you imagine a drug dealer asking the police not to raid their property and the police actually abiding by it? finsbury park mosque, where a vast portion of the terrorist attended, not even raided.

Rubbish.
I’ve entered Mosques without taking my work boots off, so don’t tell me the Police can’t.

 

[elsparko]

Not interested in the Quran, Islam or Muslims.
I’m interested in facts and the truth that you seem to want to ignore.
Teressa May before she became the Prime Minister was the Home Secretary.
She has been reducing the Police and Security budget since the Tories came to power.
Now you want the security forces to do something which Teresa May is preventing them from doing.
You blame Merkel.

youre interested in facts yet you ignore the blatant problem with islamic extremism in the 21st century? seems a bit contradictory.

if it was women and children fleeing syria and the middle east with their children i could understand that, islamic nations oppress their women and children to the point of slavery, so yes they should be granted asylum.

what you want to do is bring the problems they ran from in the first place here by importing the misogynist , bigoted men from said countries.

do you want to live next to someone who has probably witnessed a beheading or participated in something similar? you think its ok for islamic nations to behead and hang people for simply leaving islam? women are being told to dress modestly because a certain demographic cant help but rape anything that isnt in a hijab.

 

[Deleted member 26818]

What are you going on about now?
What you need to do, is look at facts not make assumptions based on your own fears and predudices.
I have not once said that I am in favour of immigration, Islamic extremists, Brexit or remain.
Yet because I point out that what you have been saying is not based on facts or the truth, you make assumptions.
What you need to do, is stick to facts not make believe.

 

[Darkwood]

Guys can we get back on topic here, although immigration is part of this discussion we seem to be focusing on Islam where as the fact of the matter is that this accounts for very little of EU nationals legal migration thanks to the fact we are not part of the Shengen agreement, the UK over the last decade for which been an EU member has led to us been exposed us to excessive migration mainly due to the then government 'Tony Blair' lifting all red tape restrictions which other members kept in place.
@elsparko - I don't mind a discussion on Islam its pro's and cons as has been had in the past but please can you create a thread on the matter and also approach the discussion with a little more thought, comments like 'groups of men in pyjamas' detracts from the points you are trying to make and makes you sound like a far right zombie, you make some valid points but like the years of child abuse, you fail to balance this argument to the fact we have had UK institutions be they boarding schools, government house or even your local church that has hit the headlines many many times over decades regarding child abuse... it is a massive problem and a lot more needs to be done, it isn't just muslim grooming gangs.

 

[elsparko]

What are you going on about now?
What you need to do, is look at facts not make assumptions based on your own fears and predudices.
I have not once said that I am in favour of immigration, Islamic extremists, Brexit or remain.
Yet because I point out that what you have been saying is not based on facts or the truth, you make assumptions.
What you need to do, is stick to facts not make believe.

new years eve germany
New Year's Eve sexual assaults in Germany - Wikipedia - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Year%27s_Eve_sexual_assaults_in_Germany

i do stick to the facts, the sheer projection coming from you is astonishing, i guess all your news comes from the bbc? LOL

 

[Deleted member 26818]

What has sexual assaults in Germany got to do with the UK leaving the EU and immigration to the UK?

 

[elsparko]

Guys can we get back on topic here, although immigration is part of this discussion we seem to be focusing on Islam where as the fact of the matter is that this accounts for very little of EU nationals legal migration thanks to the fact we are not part of the Shengen agreement, the UK over the last decade for which been an EU member has led to us been exposed us to excessive migration mainly due to the then government 'Tony Blair' lifting all red tape restrictions which other members kept in place.
@elsparko - I don't mind a discussion on Islam its pro's and cons as has been had in the past but please can you create a thread on the matter and also approach the discussion with a little more thought, comments like 'groups of men in pyjamas' detracts from the points you are trying to make and makes you sound like a far right zombie, you make some valid points but like the years of child abuse, you fail to balance this argument to the fact we have had UK institutions be they boarding schools, government house or even your local church that has hit the headlines many many times over decades regarding child abuse... it is a massive problem and a lot more needs to be done, it isn't just muslim grooming gangs.

believe me, i think the church should be shut down aswell, theyre just as bad, if not worse for giving the writers of the quran a bible to plagerise, bbc should be shut down for all their scandals involving much of the same, i honestly dont even see why we need government, dont know why everyone cant just agree to not be total asshats to eachother

 

[elsparko]

What has sexual assaults in Germany got to do with the UK leaving the EU and immigration to the UK?

because merkel is making those rapists EU citizens, that can then travel unchecked to united kingdom

 

[Deleted member 26818]

Ah, back to blaming Merkel, and ignoring the fact that net immigration to the UK has declined since Merkel invited immigrants to Germany.

 

[Midwest]

new years eve germany
New Year's Eve sexual assaults in Germany - Wikipedia - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Year%27s_Eve_sexual_assaults_in_Germany

i do stick to the facts, the sheer projection coming from you is astonishing, i guess all your news comes from the bbc? LOL

Reading through that Wikipedia article, is quite grim and shocking. You might like to note, that a lot of the citations are from the BBC News, so should we discount those ones?

 

[Deleted member 26818]

Let me try to educate you:
Only immigrants from the EU can be checked for criminal records. There is no law which allows us to check other immigrants, just as there is no law allowing non-EU countries to check if UK nationals have criminal records.

Brexit will not stop immigration.
Immigrants are used by businesses as cheap labour, the government will not stop immigration.
The Tories pledged to curb immigration when they came to power, immigration increased.
Theresa May was Home Secretary, she failed to curb immigration. Further Theresa May reduced the budget for border control, resulting in fewer immigration officers.
If you want to clean up the streets, you don’t sack all the road sweepers.

 

[Midwest]

Let me try to educate you:
Only immigrants from the EU can be checked for criminal records. There is no law which allows us to check other immigrants, just as there is no law allowing non-EU countries to check if UK nationals have criminal records.
.

I'm not quite sure on this point; immigrants from outside the EU can have should have criminal record checks done. EU citizen wishing to remain in the UK after Brexit are expected to be similar vetted, although the EU are against this, in the current negotiations.

 

[Deleted member 26818]

No country has legally been able to check criminal records of citizens of other countries.
That is, until the EU was formed.

 

[Des 56]

The thread has deviated,there is much that elsparko has posted that is not my opinion,however,he has touched on religion,mainly the Islamic section with a bit of Christianity thrown in,I have to admit he is on the right track with his "shut down the church" statement

I would apportion probably 95% of the strife in the world to these popular fairy stories
I would dearly love to see a law brought in where religion is permitted, but only in the privacy of the gullible persons home
Close all these Mosques,all these Churches,stop any reference to religion in schools (other than as part of a history lesson)restrict the wearing in public of clothing that demonstrates membership of any of those religions

The same goes for our rulers,get shot of all these lords who are governing us by virtue of their zeal for medieval fantasy tales and books

The best thing we could do is make Biology Astronomy and Cosmology a core subject in all schools so that the children will grow up with knowledge that can help them shake off the shackles of the inherited and forced religious nonsense

 

[Deleted member 26818]

So Sikhs whould no longer be allowed to wear turbans?

 

[Midwest]

I would dearly love to see a law brought in where religion is permitted, but only in the privacy of the gullible persons home
Close all these Mosques,all these Churches,stop any reference to religion in schools (other than as part of a history lesson)restrict the wearing in public of clothing that demonstrates membership of any of those religions

Didn't Stalin, or someone like him do that

 

[Midwest]

No country has legally been able to check criminal records of citizens of other countries.
That is, until the EU was formed.

I'm not quite sure of your statement there, further research at a later time for me.

 

[Des 56]

I have no problem with people who want to believe in religion,I do have a problem when religion is allowed to impact on society as a whole
Religion is dangerous,it should be restricted to a persons home only
If any clothing is for specifically advertising the membership of that religion,it should be restricted and at least certainly discouraged

The Islamic religion is no different from the Christian religion in its barbarity,it just happens to be a century or two behind
The maniacs of the Christian religion are mostly in the past
The Islamic barbarity will decrease and hopefully end when the numbers who believe in the fairy stories declines
We need to educate the young to the dangers of these religions

 

[Deleted member 26818]

I'm not quite sure of your statement there, further research at a later time for me.

Easiest way to do that, is phone the Police and check your neighbour’s criminal record.

 

[Des 56]

Didn't Stalin, or someone like him do that

Stalin was possibly the greatest maniac in all of history
He did many terrible wrongs,but perhaps that was one ban he actually got right

 

[Deleted member 26818]

Should we ban the dollar bill?

 

[Des 56]

Should we ban the dollar bill?

Religion has infested all societies over many many years
Its influence can be found in countless examples

Because it has a statement on the dollar bill,it does not make it any the less sickening, we will have to endure the religious influences for many years yet,being present and having to be aware of it does not make it any more acceptable

 

[Squid]

tell that to abu hamza.

His wife lives in a house two streets away from me nice 4 bed compared to my 3 bed all funded by the taxpayer, I think she gets £650 per week in benefits most of the kids have been to prison oh and her kitchen was renewed at a cost of £13500 a good few years ago (wish the council would replace mine) and Abu managed to buy a flat in Greenford.........

 

[Squid]

Should we ban all religion?

Yep, if you want to pray do it at home as you do not need a church, mosque, kebab shop or pub to visit God, its all a con, the last option does help though..........

 

[elsparko]

The thread has deviated,there is much that elsparko has posted that is not my opinion,however,he has touched on religion,mainly the Islamic section with a bit of Christianity thrown in,I have to admit he is on the right track with his "shut down the church" statement

I would apportion probably 95% of the strife in the world to these popular fairy stories
I would dearly love to see a law brought in where religion is permitted, but only in the privacy of the gullible persons home
Close all these Mosques,all these Churches,stop any reference to religion in schools (other than as part of a history lesson)restrict the wearing in public of clothing that demonstrates membership of any of those religions

The same goes for our rulers,get shot of all these lords who are governing us by virtue of their zeal for medieval fantasy tales and books

The best thing we could do is make Biology Astronomy and Cosmology a core subject in all schools so that the children will grow up with knowledge that can help them shake off the shackles of the inherited and forced religious nonsense

exactly, im not exactly a wordsmith so tend to ramble, i too believe it should be something praticed in your own home, regardless of religion, theres a bit jim jefferies does on this, about how religious are like 9 out of 10 passenger cars on a train, slowing down the train whilst we try to speed up the train, and unfortunately its usually the religious who have lots of kids that they cant afford to raise, so we end up with a world of forest gumps at the tax payers expense.

lets be honest, most muslims arent really muslims, they just say they are because of a 25-30% portion of 1,3 billion of them will kill them for saying the quran is nonsense, all religious books are nonsense and an insult to intelligence.

 

[elsparko]

His wife lives in a house two streets away from me nice 4 bed compared to my 3 bed all funded by the taxpayer, I think she gets £650 per week in benefits most of the kids have been to prison oh and her kitchen was renewed at a cost of £13500 a good few years ago (wish the council would replace mine) and Abu managed to buy a flat in Greenford.........

exactly, our councils are more concerned about making sure terrorists feelings dont get hurt, but only have "thoughts and prayers" to offer when they inevitably kill or rape someone.

 

[elsparko]

So Sikhs whould no longer be allowed to wear turbans?

should i be allowed to wear a burqa into a bank? should i be able to have my i.d be me in a burqa with just my eyes showing?

1 rule for all or none at all.

 

[elsparko]

Stalin was possibly the greatest maniac in all of history
He did many terrible wrongs,but perhaps that was one ban he actually got right

you do know the russians basically defended europe whilst america dithered about, granted stalin wasnt exactly a stellar bloke, he chewed up the german war machine quite nicely

 

[Squid]

you do know the russians basically defended europe whilst america dithered about, granted stalin wasnt exactly a stellar bloke, he chewed up the german war machine quite nicely

Stalin sent my family to a "work camp" in Siberia (Concentration Camp) and my mother had to chop wood in a forest in her bare feet when it was -15 they only got out because the Germans invaded and she had a relative in Anders Army and went via Persia and Africa to get to England before enlisting in the RAF the Russians also murdered 40000 Poles at Katyn,its ironic as my Father sailed on the Arctic convoys to help with there war effort.

To be honest I have a lot of respect for the Iranians who are mostly Shi'a as the country okay under British intervention gave sanctuary to a lot of Poles, its the Sunni lot that are a bunch of nutters. The Russians I just fecking hate them the arrogant pieces of rubbish.

 

[Deleted member 26818]

should i be allowed to wear a burqa into a bank? should i be able to have my i.d be me in a burqa with just my eyes showing?

1 rule for all or none at all.

You really ought to think about what you post.
If I were to walk into a bank wearing a crash helmet, I would be asked to take it off or leave.
If a security guard were to walk in wearing a crash helmet, the bank staff would open the door to let him/her into the back of the bank.
As for Abu Hamza, he’s disabled, so The Council house him and he receives benefits, just the same as anyone else.

 

[elsparko]

Stalin sent my family to a "work camp" in Siberia (Concentration Camp) and my mother had to chop wood in a forest in her bare feet when it was -15 they only got out because the Germans invaded and she had a relative in Anders Army and went via Persia and Africa to get to England before enlisting in the RAF the Russians also murdered 40000 Poles at Katyn,its ironic as my Father sailed on the Arctic convoys to help with there war effort.

To be honest I have a lot of respect for the Iranians who are mostly Shi'a as the country okay under British intervention gave sanctuary to a lot of Poles, its the Sunni lot that are a bunch of nutters. The Russians I just fecking hate them the arrogant pieces of rubbish.

sad to hear that, most of my history research (watching documentaries) usually revolve around the tactics used during the wars, the back and forth of offense and defense weapons and how it progressed technology for civilians.

the germans who were not SS were misguided at best, army was only means of utting dinner in their stomachs, when berlin fell i did watch a documentary where the germans hoped the americans/uk/french would arrive before the russians, stalin was given too much freedom after the war though.

 

[elsparko]

You really ought to think about what you post.
If I were to walk into a bank wearing a crash helmet, I would be asked to take it off or leave.
If a security guard were to walk in wearing a crash helmet, the bank staff would open the door to let him/her into the back of the bank.
As for Abu Hamza, he’s disabled, so The Council house him and he receives benefits, just the same as anyone else.

is a squad of women/men in burqas security are they? why should they be allowed to hide their faces in a public area? should i go about wearing a ghost costume 24/7 because i worship haloween?

 

[elsparko]

You really ought to think about what you post.
If I were to walk into a bank wearing a crash helmet, I would be asked to take it off or leave.
If a security guard were to walk in wearing a crash helmet, the bank staff would open the door to let him/her into the back of the bank.
As for Abu Hamza, he’s disabled, so The Council house him and he receives benefits, just the same as anyone else.

abu hamza is serving a life sentence in an american jail for terrorism charges, why should he recieve any payment from a country he has openly preached hate against? he lost his hands making bombs, he should be left to fend for himself.

 

[Deleted member 26818]

Now what are you going on about?
Security guards are always entering banks wearing crash helmets.
Yet if I were to enter a bank wearing a crash helmet, I would be asked to remove it or to leave.
1 rule for all or none.

 

[elsparko]

Now what are you going on about?

the facts

 

[elsparko]

Now what are you going on about?

you should apply to be his cell mate since you love him so much

 

[Deleted member 26818]

Now what are you

you should apply to be his cell mate since you love him so much

you are just a bloody troll.

 

[Squid]

As for Abu Hamza, he’s disabled, so The Council house him and he receives benefits, just the same as anyone else.

Wrong, the council house is in his wife's name and for someone who lost his hands whilst making a bomb how the hell could he afford to buy a place in Greenford and go under the radar?

 

[elsparko]

Now what are you

you are just a bloody troll.

im really not, you eggplant

 

[Deleted member 26818]

Wrong, the council house is in his wife's name and for someone who lost his hands whilst making a bomb how the hell could he afford to buy a place in Greenford and go under the radar?

You seem to know an awful lot of this person’s personal details.
I do not.
However I do know that where there is a couple, it doesn’t really matter which partner claims benefits, or whose name is on the Tenancy agreement.
As for purchasing a house in Greenford and being under the radar, how do you know about it?

 

[Squid]

sad to hear that, most of my history research (watching documentaries) usually revolve around the tactics used during the wars, the back and forth of offense and defense weapons and how it progressed technology for civilians.

the germans who were not SS were misguided at best, army was only means of utting dinner in their stomachs, when berlin fell i did watch a documentary where the germans hoped the americans/uk/french would arrive before the russians, stalin was given too much freedom after the war though.

The Russians waited outside of Warsaw whilst the Germans totally annihilated it as it was part of their plan, Stalin, Rossevelt and Churchill royally screwed Poland over at Yalta.

For our freedom and yours, My parents where proud to have fought and I look at this way they earned the right to live in the UK not like most of the parasites that are coming over.

My Uncle flew Wellingtons in 305 and had friends in 303 as well and after the war the Labour Government turned against them as well as the DM and the TUC and from being a decorated bomber and Mossie pilot he ended up as a dishwasher in Stoke on Trent and eventually emigrated to the US and became a chippy, this was a man who had a degree in Geology from Lvow University so was of office Class.

 

[elsparko]

You seem to know an awful lot of this person’s personal details.
I do not.
However I do know that where there is a couple, it doesn’t really matter which partner claims benefits, or whose name is on the Tenancy agreement.

the guys a convicted terrorist, his family should be thrown out to sea.

 

[Deleted member 26818]

the guys a convicted terrorist, his family should be thrown out to sea.

Convicted where?

 

[elsparko]

Convicted where?

convicted in america because all the judges here are soft as butter left in the sun

 

[Squid]

You seem to know an awful lot of this person’s personal details.
I do not.
However I do know that where there is a couple, it doesn’t really matter which partner claims benefits, or whose name is on the Tenancy agreement.
As for purchasing a house in Greenford and being under the radar, how do you know about it?

Well if he is one of your neighbours in the area you get to know things and it was ironic that in 2005 John Hutton the work and pensions secretary bought the house next to it. I always remember the 2 armed Police outside 24/7.

Maybe someone in the council had been "bought" or where afraid of being accused of racism.

 

[elsparko]

Convicted where?

if youre so keen on middle eastern and african non skilled immigration let ten of them stay in your house at your expense?

 

[elsparko]

5 years ago all a speeding white van man meant was a tradesman in a hurry, now it may mount the kerb and run you down.