Speeding ticket for van

[Davisonp]

I just got a speeding ticket because vans have a different speed limit to cars. I was not aware of this, and nor is any van driver I have spoken to since, so just a heads up.

Vans have a limit of 50mph on country roads not 60mph like cars.

There is a van limit of 60mph on Dual Carrages not 70mph like cars.


There are now speed cameras that combine with ANPR cameras to determine the vehicle type and therefore the specific speed limit for the vehicle, which is what caught me.

 

[westward10]

What sort of van is it.

 

[Davisonp]

What sort of van is it.

Transit Connect

 

[SparkyChick]

Not that I'm a van driver, but I didn't realise that. Nice info, sorry you had to find out the hard way.

 

[ruston]

Sorry to tell you but that has been around for a long time , so has the anpr identification for lorries and vans.
Car derived vans are different though, worth checking.

 

[Ian1981]

I've got a Citroen berlingo and never been done for speeding.
That said it does 0-60 in 1 hour!

 

[Dave OCD]

Yes I knew about the dual carriageway speed limit being lower for a van, hard to stay at 60 though !

 

[Octopus]

Every day is a learning day - 55 mph max from tomorrow

 

[Dave OCD]

I've got a Citroen berlingo and never been done for speeding.
That said it does 0-60 in 1 hour!

There's something wrong with that, my Berlingo will hit 60 in under 30 minutes.

 

[Ian1981]

There's something wrong with that, my Berlingo will hit 60 in under 30 minutes.

Think The Flintstones!
Yaba daba doo!

 

[ruston]

Berligo may come under car derived van check your log book.
Car-derived vans and dual purpose vehicles - GOV.UK - https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/car-derived-vans-and-dual-purpose-vehicles/car-derived-vans-and-dual-purpose-vehicles

 

[rsgaz]

Car derived vans are different though, worth checking.

Correct, although unfortunately this won't apply in the OP's case.

A 'car derived van' only has the same speed limit as cars if it's Maximum Gross Weight is under 2000kg. ALL Transit Connects have a MGW over 2000kg, so even if the dealer registered it on the V5C as a 'car derived van', rather than a 'panel van', he's still up the creek.

If you put your reg in here... (or check your V5C)

Vehicle Check | Check a car’s history on Auto Trader UK - http://www.autotrader.co.uk/vehiclecheck

...you can see what yours is under 'body type'. The stupid part is that small vans like Partner/Berlingo/Combi/Doblo/etc can be registered as either a 'panel van' OR a 'car derived van', it's up to the dealer that sold it originally to fill out the form.

Just remember people, if your MGW is over 2000kg, it's the lower limits no matter what the body type comes up as.

Gaz

 

[ruston]

Yes , a Transit does not derive from a car , but a Berlingo derives from a passsenger type car, and goes under the same name.

 

[Ian1981]

Sorry it's a Citroen berlingo enterprise!
But warp speed it does not!

 

[Davisonp]

Correct, although unfortunately this won't apply in the OP's case.

A 'car derived van' only has the same speed limit as cars if it's Maximum Gross Weight is under 2000kg. ALL Transit Connects have a MGW over 2000kg, so even if the dealer registered it on the V5C as a 'car derived van', rather than a 'panel van', he's still up the creek.

If you put your reg in here... (or check your V5C)

Vehicle Check | Check a car’s history on Auto Trader UK - http://www.autotrader.co.uk/vehiclecheck

...you can see what yours is under 'body type'. The stupid part is that small vans like Partner/Berlingo/Combi/Doblo/etc can be registered as either a 'panel van' OR a 'car derived van', it's up to the dealer that sold it originally to fill out the form.

Just remember people, if your MGW is over 2000kg, it's the lower limits no matter what the body type comes up as.

Gaz

Ironically the largest transit connect is smaller in all dimensions than the ford galaxy and has a smaller gross weight than it as well.

 

[Flanders]

Yes im afraid it true but i don't get this law , if you have a great big range rover you can go the 70 but if your in a little berlingo you can only go 60. !!! I also wondered if those average speed cameras know if you are in a car of a van ??

 

[ruston]

Depends how fast you were going - you might get a speed awareness course, no points.

 

[dansk]

didn't know that, I drive connect everyday. I thought it was 3500t gross that was limited to 50 on A roads etc.

 

[ruston]

Depends how fast you were going - you might get a speed awareness course, no points.

 

[Flanders]

Yes im afraid it true but i don't get this law , if you have a great big range rover you can go the 70 but if your in a little berlingo you can only go 60. !!! I also wondered if those average speed cameras know if you are in a car of a van ??

 

[ruston]

Yes im afraid it true but i don't get this law , if you have a great big range rover you can go the 70 but if your in a little berlingo you can only go 60. !!! I also wondered if those average speed cameras know if you are in a car of a van ??

Yes They do.

 

[westward10]

Very few people realise this but the law is such that you should know the speed limit no matter what you are driving. Surveys review the lack of awareness for this and I think the dealer/lease company should make this clear.

 

[westward10]

Strange you see many of these vans with "limited to 70 mph" on the back of them.

 

[westward10]

Yes They do.

Always makes me laugh when people speed between the cameras then slow down at the camera not realising it is assessing your speed between the cameras.

 

[ruston]

A car derived van can do 70 on a dual cariageway and motorway.

 

[ruston]

The A1 is bad for that now.

 

[rsgaz]

Strange you see many of these vans with "limited to 70 mph" on the back of them.

How so? They are allowed 70 on a motorway.

 

[westward10]

A car derived van can do 70 on a dual cariageway and motorway.

It is confusing because a car derived van does not need to look like the car it is derived from say for example the Astravan it means it is built on the same chassis base as a car. My Caddy is deemed to be such but I believe it is speed restricted because it exceeds the GVW.

 

[ruston]

I know, if you are in that situation it is best to check as the dvla have admitted a lot have been wrongly registered.

 

[ruston]

From this link.

Car-derived vans and dual purpose vehicles - GOV.UK - https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/car-derived-vans-and-dual-purpose-vehicles/car-derived-vans-and-dual-purpose-vehicles




Contents

1. Car derived vans
2. Legal definition of a car derived van
3. How to identify a car derived van
4. Speed limits
5. What to do if you think your vehicle has been incorrectly registered
6. Dual purpose vehicles

Car derived vans
Very few vans will meet the criteria for a car derived van (CDV). Those that do are likely to be similar to a Ford Fiesta van, Vauxhall Corsa or Renault Clio van.

Legal definition of a car derived van
Schedule 6 of the Road Traffic Regulation Act 1984 describes a car derived van as:

‘car-derived van’ means a goods vehicle which is constructed or adapted as a derivative of a passenger vehicle and which has a maximum laden weight not exceeding 2 tonnes.’

How to identify a car derived van
Car derived vans are:

• designed to weigh no more than 2 tonnes when loaded fully
• based on car designs or the vehicle is built from a platform which has been designed and developed to be built as a car or a van by the same manufacturer

As a general rule, from the outside, these vehicles will look like the size of a car, but on the inside the vehicle will look like and function as a van, because:

• there will be no rear seats, rear seat belts or mountings
• there will be a payload area with floor panel in the rear of the vehicle
• there will be no side windows in the rear of the vehicle - or if present, side windows will be opaque and fixed (with no means of opening or closing)

If your van is a CDV, it will be recorded as such under ‘body type’ on the vehicle’s registration document (V5C). If there is any other entry under ‘body type’ the vehicle is not registered as a car derived van and will be subject to speeds lower than the national limits.

Speed limits
Car derived vans are the only light commercial (goods) vehicles which are subject to the same speed limits as a car.

All other light commercial (goods) vehicles, including small vans, are restricted to maximum speed limits applicable to goods vehicles not exceeding 7.5 tonnes maximum laden weight:

• 50mph on single carriageways
• 60mph on dual carriageways
• 70mph on motorways

What to do if you think your vehicle has been incorrectly registered
The Department for Transport recognises that historically some vehicles may have been incorrectly registered.

If you believe your vehicle is a CDV and is not registered as such, for:

• new vehicles - check with the dealer
• older vehicle – check with the manufacturer

Until such time as your vehicle has been re-registered as a CDV (if appropriate) you should comply with the lower speed limits applicable to a goods vehicle. You will need written confirmation that the vehicle qualifies as a CDV from the manufacturer to accompany the re-registration application.

If your goods vehicle is registered as a CDV but it:

• exceeds 2 tonnes maximum laden weight
• does not meet any other of the criteria for a CDV

then it is incorrectly registered and you are not permitted to travel at the national speed limits. You must comply with the lower speed limits applicable to a goods vehicle.

As above please check the registration details with the dealer / manufacturer and re-register with DVLA as appropria

 

[westward10]

Interesting read that Ruston so if I read it correctly my Caddy, apparently being a CDV but exceeding the two tonnes can still do 70 mph on motorways but is restricted on single and dual carriageways.

 

[ruston]

Yes if that is the weight restriction that applies .
Best to check though , not nice the letter lying on the floor lol.

 

[static zap]

Noticed that on camera stretches , many locals in cars get used to slowing !
(cos the think they are a 2 Tonne van )

 

[LeeH]

I got one doing 68, 100 pound fine and a speed awareness course. Luckily I did it over my xmas hols 5 mins from home so no hardship.

Anything over 2t (maybe 2.1 not sure now) it's the 50/60/70 rule. UNLESS it's a crew cab or mini bus. 60/60/70 (multi purpose vehicle)

So Astra van, bippa etc is 70. Connect, Caddy is 60 on dual carriageway.

A definition of a dual carriageway is where you cannot cross to the other side due to an obstacle e.g. Crash barrier or other speed restrictions apply.

If you can it's STILL single carriageway so it's 50 not 60.

Where blue signs are present motor way rules apply so it's 70 even if it's 2 lanes (dual carriageway but not)

HTH

 

[Midwest]

Suffice to say, unless your driving one of those miniature vans, which are no practical use, you have to stick with the 50-60-70 speed limits.

ANPR, through the registration number, also check for tax, insurance, (edit & MOT) vehicle or driver of interest or wanted, at time of detection. Speed cameras, similar check done later.

A friends friend got zapped, and fined £80 for not taxing her vehicle, albeit the taxation class was £0

 

[ruston]

Another thing to watch is that they are active all the time ,not just speeding triggered like the older ones . People have been caught using phones ,reading , and other cameras
are manned . They are watching you lol.

 

[ruston]

Another thing to watch is that they are active all the time ,not just speeding triggered like the older ones . People have been caught using phones ,reading , and other cameras
are manned . They are watching you lol.

 

[Spunkywads26]

Sorry if we are covering old ground but I am finding a bit confusing.

I have a Ford Transit Courier, registered as a panel van but with a revenue weight of 1795KG. I assume i'm a van due to body type, but could I apply to re-register as a CDV?

 

[Midwest]

Sorry if we are covering old ground but I am finding a bit confusing.

I have a Ford Transit Courier, registered as a panel van but with a revenue weight of 1795KG. I assume i'm a van due to body type, but could I apply to re-register as a CDV?

Doubt it. The Ford Transit Courier is not 'is constructed or adapted as a derivative of a passenger vehicle'.

Here's another link to check;

Car-derived vans and dual purpose vehicles - GOV.UK - https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/car-derived-vans-and-dual-purpose-vehicles/car-derived-vans-and-dual-purpose-vehicles

 

[ED17]

And when you stick to 50mph on a 60 road you get idiots driving inches off your rear bumper! Will the average speed cameras get them?

 

[Midwest]

To be fair, never seen a speed camera, mobile or otherwise on a single carriage road with national speed limits, always on derestricted road?

Edit; Cancel that, just remembered a static one on a road near me

 

[ruston]

And when you stick to 50mph on a 60 road you get idiots driving inches off your rear bumper! Will the average speed cameras get them?

No but the CCTV cameras on busy roads might .
Loads of people have been done for reading newspapers, on phones, in slow moving traffic.

Ps , actually they might , who knows what they have now.

 

[telectrix]

mytake on the reason for the reduced limit is that with a fully laden van, your stopping distance is greater, so the 10mph slower limitcounteracts that.

 

[ruston]

mytake on the reason for the reduced limit is that with a fully laden van, your stopping distance is greater, so the 10mph slower limitcounteracts that.[/QUOTE/]

Years ago my mate got the 'Follow Me' van and taken to the local Ministry of Transport testing station.
His Transit van was down on one side a bit, the inspector asked him what he had in it , my mate said just tools, no building materials ; and he was telling the truth , although he did have an electric cement mixer in it . The rest was made up of all the usual hand tools,breakers, big hammers ,and the usual junk, much like we would carry to be honest.

 

[Pat H]

Pretty sure a condition of being issued a driving license is that you regularly update your knowledge of the highway code. So the excuse that somebody wasn't aware falls foul of that general requirement.
Always worth picking up a current HWC and giving it a read through. A lot is changing in all sorts of areas and all drivers need to be across that.
I drive a motorhome so have been aware of the speed changes for some time. But of course its the fuel economy (or lack of) when you push it over 50 or 60. The white vans I see doing 80+ must be drinking fuel to save a few minutes on their journey time.

 

[telectrix]

Pretty sure a condition of being issued a driving license is that you regularly update your knowledge of the highway code. So the excuse that somebody wasn't aware falls foul of that general requirement.
Always worth picking up a current HWC and giving it a read through. A lot is changing in all sorts of areas and all drivers need to be across that.
I drive a motorhome so have been aware of the speed changes for some time. But of course its the fuel economy (or lack of) when you push it over 50 or 60. The white vans I see doing 80+ must be drinking fuel to save a few minutes on their journey time.

not to mention the reduced engine life. rare i do more than 60 . nice steady 2500 rpm. diesel engine will do a million miles.

 

[Pat H]

Can't see why more folks aren't aware of things like that. Too little care nowadays.

 

[7029 dave]

Yes, this is the fact, if the van is not car derived the speed limits are different.

 

[Midwest]

Not to mention, fully loaded vans and stability issues, poor rear view and that a lot of van drivers don't own their vans, and some drive like idiots, makes a good reason to limit their speeds.

 

[stevethesparks]

There are speed limits?
Oops