UK What rate am I qualified for/should be seeking having done 2365 lvl 2/3 and 18th Edition?

[Aaron b]

Hi pal, yeah it's a JIB company, I've done some research into JIB (thought I'd be on £13 something an hour so obviously going about it wrong) but what other benefits do they offer? The rates do seem low! They've given me the stage 4 apprentice level which I understand however do think the stage 1 trainee is more in keeping with the quals I've got!

They have a handbook that sets out all procedures and benefits are all set by the jib. You will get pay rises as you satisfy the grades and every couple of years when the new handbook comes out.

I'd give it a couple of months and ask what you need to do to satisfy the next grade. If you have no site experience and need to collect evidence for a portfolio I don't think you can argue that your not an apprentice.

 

[man2964]

They have a handbook that sets out all procedures and benefits are all set by the jib. You will get pay rises as you satisfy the grades and every couple of years when the new handbook comes out.

I'd give it a couple of months and ask what you need to do to satisfy the next grade. If you have no site experience and need to collect evidence for a portfolio I don't think you can argue that your not an apprentice.

I get what you're saying, if I've satisfied the grades/requirements for stage 1 trainee electrician now, I don't want to turn finally move onto it in so many months time if that makes sense? I'll pose the question before I sign anything!

 

[Midwest]

Hi Midwest, yeah I have the reason they used was that they can't be putting me on more than a stage 4 apprentice as it would cause people to essentially moan. I understand that not everyone is fortunate enough to be able to do the 2365 courses etc or wants to go that was due to cost but I have which done them which from what I can infer puts me on at least stage one electrical trainee?

What's your thoughts on it?

As said, have you actually asked why that payrate, and what you can expect in increments as you gain experience in their eyes. And get it in writing. I would envisage, you would want a full approved or electricians rate eventually?

 

[man2964]

As said, have you actually asked why that payrate, and what you can expect in increments as you gain experience in their eyes. And get it in writing. I would envisage, you would want a full approved or electricians rate eventually?

Yes and no, they gave their reason for it (stage 4 apprentice and can't pay me more as it will cause issues) so I'm going to go back and see if I can discuss about Stage 1 trainee electrician as theres that rate provided for JIB for a reason! Like Ive said, I've taken it upon myself to do these courses etc so I'm not classed as an apprentice blah blah blah.

Getting the incremental increase in writing is a good idea thanks, I don't however want to sell myself short and say I'll get a pay rise in a year when I could have earned it in 6 months if that makes sense?

Yes correct, NVQ + AM2 and 2391 is the end goal!

 

[Midwest]

Yes and no, they gave their reason for it (stage 4 apprentice and can't pay me more as it will cause issues) so I'm going to go back and see if I can discuss about Stage 1 trainee electrician as theres that rate provided for JIB for a reason! Like Ive said, I've taken it upon myself to do these courses etc so I'm not classed as an apprentice blah blah blah.

Getting the incremental increase in writing is a good idea thanks, I don't however want to sell myself short and say I'll get a pay rise in a year when I could have earned it in 6 months if that makes sense?

Yes correct, NVQ + AM2 and 2391 is the end goal!

I don’t think it harms anything in asking, certainly looking at the future with them, could show a long term commitment. Have you seen what other companies would offer?

Good luck by the way.

 

[man2964]

I don’t think it harms anything in asking, certainly looking at the future with them, could show a long term commitment. Have you seen what other companies would offer?

Good luck by the way.

I've had a few interviews, nothing came of one (got told I'd be a self employed contactor so wasn't too interested) and one wanted an unpaid trial period and was too far away anyway so haven't got anything to guage it off! The company seems really good and the people I've met are really nice too so that's a bonus!

 

[123]

Is the JIB rate any use at present? They where agreed upon about 2 years ago...a heck of a lot has happened in the time since then.

Stage 4 apprentice - At college £11.30 ph, on site £12.45 ph.
Own transport electrician £16.73 ph. Approved spark £18.14
Own transport trainee - Stage 1 £13.43 ph, Stage 2 £15.08 ph, Stage 3 £15.90 ph.

In comparison entry level job at Lidl £10.90 ph...JIB rates look shyte.

 

[man2964]

Is the JIB rate any use at present? They where agreed upon about 2 years ago...a heck of a lot has happened in the time since then.

Stage 4 apprentice - At college £11.30 ph, on site £12.45 ph.
Own transport electrician £16.73 ph. Approved spark £18.14
Own transport trainee - Stage 1 £13.43 ph, Stage 2 £15.08 ph, Stage 3 £15.90 ph.

In comparison entry level job at Lidl £10.90 ph...JIB rates look shyte.

Cheers 123, that's what I've been comparing it too, I know it's not the same as Im working towards a cause but I can stack shelves for more money!!

As I've said to the people above I'm trying to work out whether a trainee stage on on £13 something is more applicable than a stage 4 apprentice on £11 something an hour if that makes sense? And what would be the best way of addressing this/putting that point forward. Like I've said, self funded courses, vehicle, kit and I'm not (no disrespect to) a 17 year old fresh from school. I've proven my ability to time keep, thoroughness, reliability etc etc as well as my aptitude for picking up the required knowledge!

 

[nicebutdim]

I wouldn't overthink this - training is a means to an end, so I'd be inclined to keep my head down and get on with it. You've got a good headstart with theory, but that's of no practical use without experience.

Take what you can get and learn. If an employer values your work and the ethic beind it, they'll ensure you're paid well enough to stay after training. It doesn't matter how much you know, you're still an unknown quantity to any potential employer. If you ask for too much, why wouldn't they just pay a bit more and get someone who doesn't need training?

I'd be concerned about employing a trainee who seemed to think they were doing me a favour by coming to be trained by my workers.

 

[man2964]

I wouldn't overthink this - training is a means to an end, so I'd be inclined to keep my head down and get on with it. You've got a good headstart with theory, but that's of no practical use without experience.

Take what you can get and learn. If an employer values your work and the ethic beind it, they'll ensure you're paid well enough to stay after training. It doesn't matter how much you know, you're still an unknown quantity to any potential employer. If you ask for too much, why wouldn't they just pay a bit more and get someone who doesn't need training?

I'd be concerned about employing a trainee who seemed to think they were doing me a favour by coming to be trained by my workers.

That makes sense, it's the reality I suppose. Like you said, a means to an end and if they don't want to budge then I understand that!