Who will you vote for?

[Octopus]

If only to shake up the system? Farage is a privately educated, former banker who supports fox hunting.
How much more a part of "the system" can he be?

so what?


Thousands of foxes get torn to pieces every day by vehicles.

 

[Daveash123]

We know that they will never get power, but it's slightly better protest vote than loony party. Whichever main party gets in, we will not see any major changes to the system

 

[tex431]

I can't see it making any difference who gets in. look how much the country owes? Are they going to holders bankers accountable?

 

[trev]

so what?


Thousands of foxes get torn to pieces every day by vehicles.

Usually accidents. A pack of toffs on horseback with a shedload of dogs going out with the intention of ripping an animal to shreds is hardly accidental.

 

[Octopus]

So at the time of writing this post:

conservatives 5
labour 3
UKIP 12

that won't good reading for either of the big parties, least of all Labour!

 

[trev]

What are those numbers representing?

 

[Dcf]

Snp for me.
as I've stated before scottish labour will be lucky if they get a seat in scotland after last years performance.
if brown ,darling and Jim Murphy had kept out of the whole devo thing they might have had a chance but they couldn't keep their nose out.
ive voted labour most of my life and just think they do not represent the working man as they were meant to( if they ever did is a story for another time).
as for ukip.... Watch v for vendetta.

 

[Silly Sausage]

What are those numbers representing?

That Electricians are a bunch of Right Wing Fascists?!

And I always thought the 'Working Class' were Socialists at heart.

 

[Daveash123]

Socialism went a long time ago, we would all like to save the world but not at our expense. I'm afraid that utopia has been missed

 

[plugsandsparks]

That Electricians are a bunch of Right Wing Fascists?!

And I always thought the 'Working Class' were Socialists at heart.

No its the other way round "socialists" assume that the working class will vote for them, even when they totally *uck it up.

Its time for all socialists to wake up and smell the Costa Coffee.... and offer something more than rhetoric about fairness, progressive taxation and the like.

 

[trev]

What's so wrong about fairness?

 

[Octopus]

What are those numbers representing?

The ones on this poll

 

[Daveash123]

There is nothing wrong with it, would be lovely, just that we all need to eat and drink. So long as the 1% have over 50% of the world's wealth, it's not going to change in our lifetime

 

[Des 56]

I enjoy these political debates,there are so many opposing views

I suppose the economics and the decision about who is better to govern is secondary to my personal attitude

I can think of a situation where a bottle of water is owned by two people who are in need of that water to survive!


For the individual there are two options
1)
You share the bottle of water in order for both to get a chance to survive,it may not be the best assurance of survival but each has opportunity
2)
You grab the bottle and sieze the whole lot,the other guy falls by the wayside and you survive
This is the most assured way one person will make it through

Decide what action you would take and that will determine whether you are right wing, a Tory, or Left wing, a socialist

The Ukip party just want to break the bottle,spill the water and no one gets out alive

 

[plugsandsparks]

What's so wrong about fairness?

On its own, its a pretty un-offensive position to take, except who decides what is fair and who will it naturally be unfair to.
I remember statements like "those with the broadest shoulders should carry the heaviest burden" - when referring to raising taxes, Because its fair ... except this sounds really wonderful that a minority would happy to work 60 plus hours a week, take huge financial risks to create and run a business only to hand most of the profit for all this work and risk to the government because its fair to give loads of your money to "the needy".

Now any right minded individual who asks himself, shall I work all these hours and take all these risks so the government can spend it how THEY like, or shall I not. Labour have a great track record of getting the wealth creators to run off and do their wealth creating somewhere else,

THATS WHATS WRONG WITH IT

 

[Octopus]

Labour are just out to play the politics of envy, as they have absolutely no idea what to do about anything except spending money we don't have

 

[D Skelton]

That Electricians are a bunch of Right Wing Fascists?!

I'm assuming you're joking right?!

 

[ferg]

Compare Britain to almost any other country in the world.


We pay our taxes so we have,

Free national health service.

Free education

A police service that is relatively non corrupt.

An army that won't turn on it's own.

And to be fair loads of other things that south america, asia, east europe, China, India ....... Ad nauseum ......

Don't have.

Someone explain to me why the UK is so bad.

 

[D Skelton]

Compare Britain to almost any other country in the world.


We pay our taxes so we have,

Free national health service.

Free education

A police service that is relatively non corrupt.

An army that won't turn on it's own.

And to be fair loads of other things that south america, asia, east europe, China, India ....... Ad nauseum ......

Don't have.

Someone explain to me why the UK is so bad.

Because very soon, if we carry on the way we are;

We won't have a free NHS

We won't have free education

We won't have a police force that is properly equipped to protect us

We won't have an army full stop

Maybe it's best not to let it get to that instead of comparing us in our current situation to other countries that have ventured further down that rabbit hole and saying that everything is hunky dory.

 

[ferg]

If you can explain to me why all those things are about to disappear,,???

 

[Silly Sausage]

I'm assuming you're joking right?!

Well, the current poll results appear to indicate this, 20 - 6+2 others!

Because very soon, if we carry on the way we are;

We won't have free education

Who was it that introduced tuition fees again?

 

[D Skelton]

Creeping privatisation to schools and hospitals.

Constant cuts to the police and forces.

Capitalism is the legitimate racket of the ruling class. As someone once said to me; "it's all about the benjamins".

 

[D Skelton]

Well, the current poll results appear to indicate this, 20 - 6+2 others!

Who was it that introduced tuition fees again?

You clearly have no idea of what actual fascism is then.

Labour, why?

 

[ferg]

Creeping privatisation to schools and hospitals.

Constant cuts to the police and forces.

Capitalism is the legitimate racket of the ruling class. As someone once said to me; "it's all about the benjamins".

Well we all look after the pennies.

otherwise we'd all be skint and out of business.

TBH I don't care about immigration or dole scroungers.

All I care about is increasing the mental health budget.

Nick Clegg said he would do it so I'll vote for him.

 

[Silly Sausage]

You clearly have no idea of what actual fascism is then.

OK, the fascism was for effect!
But how can you seriously consider voting for someone who doesn't read or listen to music, what a brain dead moron! (him, not you! )
Nigel Farage admits he 'doesn?t listen to music, watch TV or read' ? and that he's 'stretched' leading Ukip and running to become an MP - General Election 2015 - UK Politics - The Independent

I admit I was almost starting to listen to him until I saw that.



Labour, why? I'm a Working Class Socialist.

 

[D Skelton]

Labour, why? I'm a Working Class Socialist.

As am I. Labour don't represent us now though.

 

[Guest77]

Compare Britain to almost any other country in the world.


We pay our taxes so we have,

Free national health service.

Free education

A police service that is relatively non corrupt.

An army that won't turn on it's own.

And to be fair loads of other things that south america, asia, east europe, China, India ....... Ad nauseum ......

Don't have.

Someone explain to me why the UK is so bad.

Unless your a Tory prime minister of course sending them into south wales

 

[Jonspark]

I'll be voting ukip mainly to pi$$ of the left wing loonies!

 

[trev]

I may be left wing but I'm far from a loony. Using your vote to pi$$ me off is 1 a bloody ridiculous waste of your vote and 2 extremely unlikely to, as you say, pi$$ me off.

 

[andyb]

It is a strange thing to do, waste your vote on private joke that only you are in on.
Will you come out of the polling station giggling to yourself?

I think I'd know a loony if I saw one.

 

[D Skelton]

I don't think he's referring to just 'normal', left wing people.

I think what he's actually referring to are the professionally offended. These people are apologists. Progressive liberals. Haters of their own race. They're thought policing crybabies who whine at every given opportunity about 'racism', 'misogyny' and 'bigotry' because that is all they have taught themselves to see in life, regardless of whether or not it is present. These people are the great unwashed, they dodge soap like there's no tomorrow and they make up the membership of your typical narrow minded protest groups such as UAF and Smash EDO.

Unfortunately, recently, normal people have started associating people like this with being 'left wing', when in fact they're anything of the sort! They are in fact just as 'right wing ' as groups like Britain First and the National Front. They stroll around with their own sense of self rightiousness doing everything in their power to shut down free debate and silence those who disagree with them. They have more in common with the 'fascists' they purport to oppose than even your typical far right nationalist group do.

Personally, it would be nice to be able to take back the term 'left wing' from these complete and utter scumbags who have misused it so much!

 

[Octopus]

I'm watching the poll numbers on here and I do think they show a worrying trend for the "old" 2 main parties.

 

[andyb]

I don't think he's referring to just 'normal', left wing people.

I think what he's actually referring to are the professionally offended. These people are apologists. Progressive liberals. Haters of their own race. They're thought policing crybabies who whine at every given opportunity about 'racism', 'misogyny' and 'bigotry' because that is all they have taught themselves to see in life, regardless of whether or not it is present. These people are the great unwashed, they dodge soap like there's no tomorrow and they make up the membership of your typical narrow minded protest groups such as UAF and Smash EDO.

Unfortunately, recently, normal people have started associating people like this with being 'left wing', when in fact they're anything of the sort! They are in fact just as 'right wing ' as groups like Britain First and the National Front. They stroll around with their own sense of self rightiousness doing everything in their power to shut down free debate and silence those who disagree with them. They have more in common with the 'fascists' they purport to oppose than even your typical far right nationalist group do.

Personally, it would be nice to be able to take back the term 'left wing' from these complete and utter scumbags who have misused it so much!

You might be right, though voting for Ukip to upset the people you are describing seems like lunacy to me.

Personally I don't feel I need to take back the term 'left wing' same as 'reclaiming the Cross of St George'

 

[trev]

I rarely describe myself as left wing for a lot of the reasons mentioned by my learned friend Mr Skelton. I describe myself as a socialist, another term that is increasingly misunderstood and misassociated with people who were anything but socialists.

 

[Jonspark]

I may be left wing but I'm far from a loony. Using your vote to pi$$ me off is 1 a bloody ridiculous waste of your vote and 2 extremely unlikely to, as you say, pi$$ me off.

Who says im talking about you?

 

[Jonspark]

I don't think he's referring to just 'normal', left wing people.

I think what he's actually referring to are the professionally offended. These people are apologists. Progressive liberals. Haters of their own race. They're thought policing crybabies who whine at every given opportunity about 'racism', 'misogyny' and 'bigotry' because that is all they have taught themselves to see in life, regardless of whether or not it is present. These people are the great unwashed, they dodge soap like there's no tomorrow and they make up the membership of your typical narrow minded protest groups such as UAF and Smash EDO.

Unfortunately, recently, normal people have started associating people like this with being 'left wing', when in fact they're anything of the sort! They are in fact just as 'right wing ' as groups like Britain First and the National Front. They stroll around with their own sense of self rightiousness doing everything in their power to shut down free debate and silence those who disagree with them. They have more in common with the 'fascists' they purport to oppose than even your typical far right nationalist group do.

Personally, it would be nice to be able to take back the term 'left wing' from these complete and utter scumbags who have misused it so much!

Mr Skelton you have absolutely read my mind.

 

[Jonspark]

I rarely describe myself as left wing for a lot of the reasons mentioned by my learned friend Mr Skelton. I describe myself as a socialist, another term that is increasingly misunderstood and misassociated with people who were anything but socialists.

And you know the problem with socialism is that one day the money will run out.

 

[andyb]

And you know the problem with socialism is that one day the money will run out.

What money Jon?

 

[Jonspark]

Do you know what socialism is ?

 

[Jonspark]

Along with George Galloway, socialism is my pet hate.

 

[trev]

No matter how much you may hate it, you have a great deal to thank socialism for.
However, I can see this descending into left=bad/good or right=bad/good.

 

[D Skelton]

Do you know what socialism is ?

It would appear that you don't quite know what socialism is.

Along with George Galloway, socialism is my pet hate.

Why? What is so bad about socialism? What is so bad about people putting in equally and receiving in equal measure?

Ultimately socialism is about cooperative ownership of the state. It leaves no room for corporate criminals ripping off the poor for personal gain. Socialism is the system that best supports the working class. The one problem is however, for it to work, it needs moderation. There does still need to be an incentive to earn money, hence this is what makes it different from communism, which doesn't work.

You may be thinking of revolutionary socialism, which isn't really socialism at all, it is just taxation and state control.

Real, moderate socialism actually works, unlike any other system.

 

[Des 56]

And you know the problem with socialism is that one day the money will run out.

You make that statement as if there is some sort of national pot of ready money that is spent by the Tories and squandered by the socialists

Yes, trade on a national scale can be compartmentalised to make it seem as if national spending is a simple matter of removing the profit generated from the pocket and dishing it out as seems fit,but in reality national spending is far removed from what you and i think of it on a personal level
Every government,I repeat EVERY GOVERNMENT needs to borrow money to fund what they decide the nation needs
There is a difference in what each party thinks the state should provide,that difference in philosophy is the difference between being a Tory and being a Socialist

By all means choose whichever party suits your leanings but don't for one moment think that state spending is unique to the Socialist,state spending on the whole is not a bad thing for the working man
and is a natural national economic tool only

 

[Jonspark]

It was a quote from mrs Thatcher, I think she knew what socialism is.

 

[trev]

She knew what she wanted you to think socialism is. Just like she knew that she wanted to convince everyone that running a country is no different from running a home.

 

[Des 56]

It was a quote from mrs Thatcher, I think she knew what socialism is.

No need to lower the debate by including offensive words

 

[rapparee]

It would appear that you don't quite know what socialism is.



Why? What is so bad about socialism? What is so bad about people putting in equally and receiving in equal measure?

Ultimately socialism is about cooperative ownership of the state. It leaves no room for corporate criminals ripping off the poor for personal gain. Socialism is the system that best supports the working class. The one problem is however, for it to work, it needs moderation. There does still need to be an incentive to earn money, hence this is what makes it different from communism, which doesn't work.

You may be thinking of revolutionary socialism, which isn't really socialism at all, it is just taxation and state control.

Real, moderate socialism actually works, unlike any other system.

What you are summing up is democratic socialism and a hint of left wing nationalism

 

[D Skelton]

It was a quote from mrs Thatcher, I think she knew what socialism is.

Thatcher didn't know her ar$e from her elbow. She was a thick, posh moron with nothing but a hatred for the working man.

She didn't know what socialism was, but she did know that whatever it was, it threatened her and her rich mates!

 

[D Skelton]

What you are summing up is democratic socialism and a hint of left wing nationalism

What im summing up is socialism, plain and simple. Add a bit of nationalism into the mix and what you have is... you guessed it... national socialism.

By far the best political system there ever has been and ever will be.

 

[trev]

The bad word filter doesn't mind arse Damian