who would you employee 1 or 2 from infro below

[Johnuk]

hey all who would you guys employ and that you would be feel safe leaving them on the job


1) Electrical Trainee quick course qualificated person with little exp
EAL Level 2 for Domestic Electrical Installers (Part P Certificate)
17th Edition City & Guilds 2382-10 Certificate in the Requirements for Electrical Installations (Level 3)
City & Guilds 2392-10 Fundamental Inspection & Testing (Level 2)
City & Guilds 2391-10 Inspection & Testing (Level 3)
NICEIC Solar Photovoltaic (PV) Certificate
PAT Testing City & Guilds 2377-12 Inspection and Testing of Electrical Equipment (Level 3)
PAT Testing City & Guilds 2377-11 Management of Electrical Equipment Maintenance (Level 3)
Building Regulations City & Guilds 2393 (Level 3)

2)
10 years exp JIB Electrician ECS/CSCS Card
2382-10- 17th edition
2356 - City and Guilds NVQ Level 3 Electro technical Services
2392-10- Fundamental Inspection, testing, and initial verification Level 2
5351- Level 3 in knowledge of Electrical installation engineering
2356- City & Guilds NVQ level 2 in Installation and Electro technical system
2360- Electrical Installation and Theory and Practice part 2
2360- Electrical installation theory and Practice part 1

 

[markc123]

1 is the Electrical Trainee course so i'd rather set fire to my nuts. option 2.

Reason's for asking this may i ask?

 

[KAS1]

Has number 2 gained his approved grade card?

 

[MDJ]

you missed 3

Site Technicians Card
30 years experience
236 part 1
236 part 2
AM1
AM2
C Certificate
17th Edition
2391

I suppose were no longer needed as our qualifications are now outdated lol

 

[KAS1]

Even if he hasn't that good enough for me

 

[monkeyelectric]

The best one for the job

 

[Johnuk]

oh just a question, i could add a couple of more coz ive just notice about the old boys who are in house trained, and the d.i.y's lol

 

[Johnuk]

i could go on on this question,

 

[ian.settle1]

It depends upon what you want them for, if it just for house bashing then Option 1 but if it is domestic, commercial and industrial then Option 2.

 

[bigbaddave]

Is option one the bosses son??

 

[KAS1]

Isn't domestic house bashing?

 

[Johnuk]

Has number 2 gained his approved grade card?

am the number 2, no not got the approved one yet, but am now looking into going back to college to see what is new out there lol

 

[Guest112]

option 2 no doubt in my mind

 

[KAS1]

Tried to edit my earlier post cause I didn't read the previous post correctly no success lol

 

[KAS1]

With your ten years experience you shouldn't have any problem getting a re-grade

 

[Knobhead]

What's the point of the question?

 

[Jonny66]

hey all who would you guys employee and that you would be feel safe leaving them on the job


1) Electrical Trainee quick course qualificated person with little exp
EAL Level 2 for Domestic Electrical Installers (Part P Certificate)
17th Edition City & Guilds 2382-10 Certificate in the Requirements for Electrical Installations (Level 3)
City & Guilds 2392-10 Fundamental Inspection & Testing (Level 2)
City & Guilds 2391-10 Inspection & Testing (Level 3)
NICEIC Solar Photovoltaic (PV) Certificate
PAT Testing City & Guilds 2377-12 Inspection and Testing of Electrical Equipment (Level 3)
PAT Testing City & Guilds 2377-11 Management of Electrical Equipment Maintenance (Level 3)
Building Regulations City & Guilds 2393 (Level 3)

2)
10 years exp JIB Electrician ECS/CSCS Card
2382-10- 17th edition
2356 - City and Guilds NVQ Level 3 Electro technical Services
2392-10- Fundamental Inspection, testing, and initial verification Level 2
5351- Level 3 in knowledge of Electrical installation engineering
2356- City & Guilds NVQ level 2 in Installation and Electro technical system
2360- Electrical Installation and Theory and Practice part 2
2360- Electrical installation theory and Practice part 1

I wouldn't employeeeeee either cos I work alone, unless of course one of them was female...then I,d be feel safe

The qualifications in option 1 look familiar from another recent post, are you option 1?, cant be bothered to look back..although I think you've said your option 2??

 

[telectrix]

which one makes a decent brew. that's the important question.

 

[Knobhead]

I wouldn't work for anyone that can't even spell the title of a thread.

 

[ian.settle1]

With your ten years experience you shouldn't have any problem getting a re-grade

Don't think he will get it unless he has 2391-10 Inspection & Testing

 

[Octopus]

Well... qualifications on paper don't really say much.

I'd get them both in for an interview and see what they can say for themselves. The Electrical Trainee could turn out to be somebody who's been doing electrics for many years along side very experienced sparkies (nearly put blokes in there but realised that could upset some members!) and the other one could be a youngster who's good at exams but demonstrates no get up and go....

 

[KAS1]

Very true

Don't think he will get it unless he has 2391-10 Inspection & Testing

 

[TaffyDuck]

The one with the right attitude.

 

[Guest55]

cant believe no-ones said hire the cheapest lol.
are you lot running a charity or a business ?
;-)

 

[trev]

As has been asked twice already, WHAT'S THE POINT HERE!

 

[valleybilly]

the one who keeps there jobs and work area tidy without being asked too !

 

[Guest55]

you missed 3

Site Technicians Card ( lost in sock drawer somewhere )
30 years experience in drinking tea.
KFC part 1
KFC part 2
Errmm.....1
Errmm.....2 ?
Clumsy Certificate
17th Edition of Beano Christmas Annual
2391

I suppose were no longer needed as our qualifications are now outdated lol

Just what i'm looking for ! youre hired !

 

[Adam W]

I'd go for option 2, unless it's a trick question and you're going to dribble an important bit of information in at the last minute?

 

[Johnuk]

hey all who would you guys employ and that you would be feel safe leaving them on the job


1) Electrical Trainee quick course qualificated person with little exp
EAL Level 2 for Domestic Electrical Installers (Part P Certificate)
17th Edition City & Guilds 2382-10 Certificate in the Requirements for Electrical Installations (Level 3)
City & Guilds 2392-10 Fundamental Inspection & Testing (Level 2)
City & Guilds 2391-10 Inspection & Testing (Level 3)
NICEIC Solar Photovoltaic (PV) Certificate
PAT Testing City & Guilds 2377-12 Inspection and Testing of Electrical Equipment (Level 3)
PAT Testing City & Guilds 2377-11 Management of Electrical Equipment Maintenance (Level 3)
Building Regulations City & Guilds 2393 (Level 3)

2)
10 years exp JIB Electrician ECS/CSCS Card
2382-10- 17th edition
2356 - City and Guilds NVQ Level 3 Electro technical Services
2392-10- Fundamental Inspection, testing, and initial verification Level 2
5351- Level 3 in knowledge of Electrical installation engineering
2356- City & Guilds NVQ level 2 in Installation and Electro technical system
2360- Electrical Installation and Theory and Practice part 2
2360- Electrical installation theory and Practice part 1

well i just asked this question to see the responses, and yes i have made some spelling mistakes but thats life,

 

[Guest55]

so no reason then ?
in which case i'd chose the first guy , i've heard he's good at darts.
;-)

 

[markc123]

I'd invite them both for an interview (as said before)

Then, i'd make them do 'unspeakable acts' upon one another and whoever backs out first doesn't get employed.

:38: stupid / wrong & slightly weird answer to a thread that's most probably going nowhere.

Closed?

 

[robd]

You might as well start a thread saying, insert negative comments about Electrical Trainee here...I did an apprenticeship btw but just seems like these boys take a bashing all the time on here, if they're that bad a) they'll lash it up and you'll be there afterwards to sort it out and have the moral high ground and b) if they're that bad fair enough we get it let's moan about something else :helmet:

 

[markc123]

You might as well start a thread saying, insert negative comments about Electrical Trainee here...I did an apprenticeship btw but just seems like these boys take a bashing all the time on here, if they're that bad a) they'll lash it up and you'll be there afterwards to sort it out and have the moral high ground and b) if they're that bad fair enough we get it let's moan about something else :helmet:

My opinion.

Yes, they get a bashing - because the thing is ridiculous (i can feel this turning into a tsunami sized thread now, which the mods will absolutley love )

I've heard people on here saying that you get lads who have been labourers / mates for years and top at their jobs, and they do the Electrical Trainee. Can see the point in this to an extent but still don't think its an excuse to not get the proper papers. You can take the 2330 or whatever it is now without having an apprentership.

You only have to look at the bottom training forum on this website, and look at how many people moan about the Electrical Trainee course and how many people are getting taken for a ride with the stupid 5k sum which offers pretty much nothing than false-hope.

As you can tell im against the Electrical Trainee scenario, don't think its fair on the hard-work the majority of the sparks put in during their training. If you can't get an apprentership, take the full time route. This is my opinion only. Lots of love. Over and Out.

 

[robd]

Don't disagree with you mate at all, just think it get's brought into too many threads.

 

[Guest112]

the way I see it you can't put a price on experience, so if those who decide later in life that they want to pay to do a 5 week course to learn the very basics of our trade then crack on, at the end of the day they are not labelled as electricians and can only do domestic work and let's be honest there isn't much to learn about house bashing. so let them crack on. so option 2 would be my preferred option because of the appropriate training and the essential experience

 

[TaffyDuck]

pointless

 

[TaffyDuck]

bored now

 

[Engineer54]

What i'm wondering now, is if 2391-10 is so difficult, how come a 5/electrical trainee can pass it along with all the other stuff that's crammed into these few weeks??


Either someone is pulling the fluff here, or 2391 is an absolute doddle!!

 

[malcolmsanford]

option 4 ..........me

 

[Guest112]

What i'm wondering now, is if 2391-10 is so difficult, how come a 5/electrical trainee can pass it along with all the other stuff that's crammed into these few weeks??


Either someone is pulling the fluff here, or 2391 is an absolute doddle!!

it's only a memory test mate and a very basic practical assessment, as einstein said why bother learning something that you can just look up later? (closed book exam)

 

[tigerpaul]

I'd employ the one with the biggest pair of ----!