Will you be having the vaccine?

[littlespark]

Simple yes or no.

will you take the vaccine willingly? Or are you one of the few % that think the whole thing is a hoax.... like an alien monolith in Utah.

 

[buzzlightyear]

I new it would not work doctor. Lol.

 

[James]

For me, it’s not so much about if i will take it.
More about when.

I am not a conspiracy believer
Previous drugs for other disease and viruses have caused long term health affects for many people around the world, only time will tell if this is safe for use and effective.

I hope it is the success that everyone wants it to be, especially as it would seem the medical and care professionals are some of the first to get it.
If there is a section of the community that we could do without loosing at the moment, it is them!!

 

[electric al]

I will take the pfizer one if offered but I would rather take the Oxford one from what I've read .Its a bit concerning that the government have signed a legal indemnity agreement that prevents pfizer from being sued or any individual bringing a future lawsuit against them over this vaccine.

 

[littlespark]

I will take the pfizer one if offered but I would rather take the Oxford one from what I've read .Its a bit concerning that the government have signed a legal indemnity agreement that prevents pfizer from being sued or any individual bringing a future lawsuit against them over this vaccine.

I think this is a normal thing that happens with any medicine or vaccine. Headlines are written to make you think it’s unusual and you should be suspicious.

I will be having it. I’m in the 45- 50 age range, so it will be well tested before I get any.

 

[telectrix]

I think this is a normal thing that happens with any medicine or vaccine. Headlines are written to make you think it’s unusual and you should be suspicious.

I will be having it. I’m in the 45- 50 age range, so it will be well tested before I get any.

so us over 70's coffinn dodgers will be the guinea pigs?

 

[littlespark]

That’s a good idea, @telectrix


they say it’s been tested, and I think the over 80’s, those in care homes and health staff get it first..... even before you.

 

[Vortigern]

The tone of the OP suggests that if you don't agree with the vaccine you are a tin foil hat wearer. I think that attitude is somewhat prevalent and would hardly encourage discussion or even merit intelligent discussion as we know where the conversation will go. Ad Hominem attacks etc. ad nauseam.

 

[JBW175]

I'm happy to have it without any reservations, and after the amount of Sh#te I've had pumped into me from Army medics over the years, i doubt I've got anything to worry about.

 

[littlespark]

Point taken, @Vortigern

my personal views are very clear in the way I posted the question, and it should have been unbiased.
My bad.

 

[ElectroChem]

@Vortigern It's absolutely possible to have and express concerns about a proposed vaccine without being a card-carrying tinfoil hat aficionado. Unfortunately, what we usually see are comments along the lines of "I'm not anti-vaccine, but [insert dangerously uneducated BS here]."

 

[Vortigern]

I have read and listened to very credible analysis of the vaccine itself and the what it is we are inoculating against. I have to say the jury is out. I think I would rather watch a lot a people take it and see what happens to them. At the back of this we have the mildish (at the moment) threat of not being able to enjoin society without the vaccine. The lockdown looks like it's based on very shaky numbers/logic/science and maybe explains the backbenchers revolt in HoP. When I see BLM, Xrebellion getting a free pass to gather and truncheon bearing cops on lockdown protestors it does rather sour my view as to the integrity of all this matter.

 

[ElectroChem]

I'm undoubtedly writing from a privileged position on this topic, Australia managed to clamp down on the virus that shall remain nameless due to a fortuitous combination of secure borders, low population density and quick (and by many standards draconian) lock-downs. With a total of <30,000 cases vs 10K new cases per day in the UK, we're now looking at the rest of the world with a mixture of frustration and pity.

That, and I guess my background in biochemical research makes me a bit more inclined to trust the teams producing these vaccine candidates.

 

[Vortigern]

For those who do take the vaccine, it would be good if you report on here how you feel after it. @ElectroChem I understand that previous vaccines have taken from 30 - 60 years to develop whereas this vaccine less than a year. Does that ring bells at all?

 

[snowhead]

I have no reservations in having the vaccine.
I've had T.B, Polio and various other vaccines and medications over the years with no apparent ill effects.
I've also been exposed to Blue asbestos whilst being sprayed in the 60's.

3 of my Grandchildren had the MMR vaccine in the U.K, then moved to the U.S and had to have their version as the U.K one didn't protect against the strains common over there.


I suspect the majority of anti vaccine or doubters will be in the age range 20 to 40, well have no fear as no-one under the age of 50 (including children) will be offered it unless they have serious underlying conditions that might make them more susceptible to serious illness from Covid.

I'm well over 50.

 

[7029 dave]

Before I roll my sleeves up, will wait a bit to see how things pan out.

 

[Spoon]

I can understand people being reluctant to taking something that has not been tested thoroughly. (and by thoroughly I mean over 5 to 10 years and charted any adverse affects)
You only have to look at the morning sickness pill that caused birth defects, and the complete lack of trust for anything a politician tells us, as to why some people are reluctant.
One of my friends has volunteered to to be one of the 'test' group.

 

[Wilko]

I’ve been to Utah and I must’ve missed that monolith .
I will get flu vacc this year as I definitely don’t want flu and kungflu at the same time.

 

[Flanders]

I listened to what Jonathan Van-Tam had to say today and did a really good explanation. I will to getting the Jab asap

 

[telectrix]

having an inbuilt mistrust of the medical profession, (i've been incorrectly diagnosed 3 times in the last 5 years), i'll wait and see .

 

[electric al]

I think this is a normal thing that happens with any medicine or vaccine. Headlines are written to make you think it’s unusual and you should be suspicious.

I will be having it. I’m in the 45- 50 age range, so it will be well tested before I get any.

It's not a usual thing unless you sign up to take part in a drug trial.

 

[Baddegg]

No real objection but I think I’ll hold off to see how it pans out.....I still don’t actually know anyone who’s had it? ?‍

 

[Edtwozeronine]

I had my flu jab yesterday for the first time ever and will have the covid jab when it comes. It's not like it's a new technology, don't they just inject you with a dead fragment of the virus, which jump starts your immune system into making antibodies against the virus?

Maybe @Vortigern can point out any errors in my simplified explanation?

 

[nicebutdim]

Take a read through this - specifically the part about vaccines.

Some of the vaccines that are being approved are of a type not currently used in any other licensed vaccine.


I'm not anti-vaccine but, not being in a high risk group, don't feel in any particular hurry to try out new technology.

 

[cloverman]

I have always turned down the offer of Flu jab over the years and firmly believe that we are too quick to get a jab for everything under the sun instead of letting our body immune system fight against bugs !!
I appreciate that the COVID 19 is a different cattle of fish and a lot of people have died due to it !

However how many covid 19 deaths has there been on a death certificate that may not have actually been the case ? After all if they had a positive test within 28 days of dying they were automatically recorded as dying from it regardless of any other ailment.

I won't be jumping to the front of the queue for it !!

 

[suffolkspark]

As I've already had covid and lived to tell the tell the tale, I would hopefully trust that my immune system is capable of fu*k*ng it off if it gets me again. No jab for me.

 

[ElectroChem]

...letting our body immune system fight against bugs !!

That's... how vaccines work. Including the flu jab you so assiduously avoid. They don't pump you full of drug reservoirs ready to be released in an infection, they give your natural immune system a sneak peak of the virus so when the real deal shows up you can get right to fighting it without giving it a head start on wrecking the joint while your immune system mulls over its response.

Edit: I do apologise in advance to anyone who feels a bit personally targeted by any of my responses in here. Anti-vaxxers are the one stripe of conspiracy nuts who really get my goat. Flat-earthers are pathetic and funny, but medical misinformation is actively dangerous to society.

 

[telectrix]

i have my own immunity. Polish vodka. Kills anything .

 

[DPG]

That's... how vaccines work. Including the flu jab you so assiduously avoid. They don't pump you full of drug reservoirs ready to be released in an infection, they give your natural immune system a sneak peak of the virus so when the real deal shows up you can get right to fighting it without giving it a head start on wrecking the joint while your immune system mulls over its response.

Edit: I do apologise in advance to anyone who feels a bit personally targeted by any of my responses in here. Anti-vaxxers are the one stripe of conspiracy nuts who really get my goat. Flat-earthers are pathetic and funny, but medical misinformation is actively dangerous to society.

Facebook and YouTube seem to be full of these people unfortunately. And an annoying rise in the anti-mask demonstrations, often led by Piers Corbyn, who surely must have something better to do?

Oooh, little bit of politics ladies and gentlemen.

 

[Dave OCD]

Piers Corbyn would look much better wearing a mask.

 

[cloverman]

I'm certainly not Anti anything ! I have every respect for anyone making a decision about what/why they do or don't do something.
I don't attempt to force or encourage my views on anyone, We live in a free democratic society (at least I believe we do) whereby people can make good/bad judgements without fear. Provided those making the decision are aware of all the facts and of sound mind when doing so then I don't have a problem with that.

 

[DPG]

I'm certainly not Anti anything ! I have every respect for anyone making a decision about what/why they do or don't do something.
I don't attempt to force or encourage my views on anyone, We live in a free democratic society (at least I believe we do) whereby people can make good/bad judgements without fear. Provided those making the decision are aware of all the facts and of sound mind when doing so then I don't have a problem with that.

Absolutely. People are free to make their own decision.

 

[nicebutdim]

That's... how vaccines work. Including the flu jab you so assiduously avoid. They don't pump you full of drug reservoirs ready to be released in an infection, they give your natural immune system a sneak peak of the virus so when the real deal shows up you can get right to fighting it without giving it a head start on wrecking the joint while your immune system mulls over its response.

Edit: I do apologise in advance to anyone who feels a bit personally targeted by any of my responses in here. Anti-vaxxers are the one stripe of conspiracy nuts who really get my goat. Flat-earthers are pathetic and funny, but medical misinformation is actively dangerous to society.

Traditionally that would be the norm, but many of the vaccines under development (and some of those ready to roll out) are manufactured in a way that is relatively new - completey new when it comes to licensed vaccines. in fact. Take a look at the link I've posted on the last page.

I get your ire against conspiracy theorists and anti-vaccination types, who might protest simply because they can, but we are in relatively uncharted territory here. That's not to say these vaccines wont be completely safe, but it's fair to point out that history has provided a (relatively small) number of unfortunate precidents where innoculations are concerned. I do think that anyone who might be at particular risk from Covid-19 would be well advised to get themselves vaccinated as these groups stand a very good chance of serious effects or death from the virus.

 

[nicebutdim]

Absolutely. People are free to make their own decision.

Certain conspiracy theorists would claim otherwise

 

[littlespark]

It may be interesting to know what other, more established vaccines have as a success rate, as this one has been touted to be over 95%.... Is something that has been around for years maybe only 94%??

I believe the Oxford vaccine is easier to store, isn’t a “new” technology, and the govt is ordering many more doses.
Is the Pfizer one just a “make do” until the Oxford one is ready?

It would be very interesting if this vaccine is the “cure for the common cold” that has alluded us for so long.

 

[Spoon]

As I've already had covid and lived to tell the tell the tale, I would hopefully trust that my immune system is capable of fu*k*ng it off if it gets me again. No jab for me.

I think that the anti-bodies for the virus have gone from your system after about 3 months.

 

[James]

I think that the anti-bodies for the virus have gone from your system after about 3 months.

Maybe what is required is a little grain of rice sized injection in your arm, like the contraceptive jab some people have, a slow release thing that keeps the body primed to fight covid.
So simple, I should have been a medical scientist not a sparky!!

Anyway, it would drive the conspiracy theorists nuts.

 

[Ian1981]

COVID won’t be going away, so it may not kill me at 39 but I’m sure it will have serious consequences at 79 and to an older age group I come into contact with. So yes , Ill taking it.

 

[suffolkspark]

I think that the anti-bodies for the virus have gone from your system after about 3 months.

Maybe so, but if it's done it once it can do it again.

 

[snowhead]

and the govt is ordering many more doses.
Is the Pfizer one just a “make do” until the Oxford one is ready?

The U.K Government have pre ordered most ( 6 ) if not all of the Vaccines, on condition they work.
The Oxford one, UK Gov partly financed the research, (£65m)
At the time no one knew whether any would work in trials or get approval.

It's still no known whether any or all will work in the whole population and whether any one of them may work better for different ages or groups.

The Pfizer vaccine arrived in the U.K yesterday and is on it's way or is now already at 50 Hospitals being used to store and administer it to Healthcare workers initially.
It will only be for people who can walk in to one of the Hospitals.

It's unlikey it will be used in Care homes, unless they can crack the storage / moving it around issue, that will be for the Oxford one

 

[Zerax]

As I've already had covid and lived to tell the tell the tale, I would hopefully trust that my immune system is capable of fu*k*ng it off if it gets me again. No jab for me.

It's not quite as simple as that... usually a virus will mutate into other strains... that's why the 'common cold' is not one thing, but a whole range of different viruses. So maybe by the time it comes round again, it'll look different to the first time ? I have also read that with this Chinese Virus alot depends on the 'viral load'... so maybe you only had a little bit of it last time ?

I'm in the same boat as you... I had the virus way back in February (as I think alot of people had, but just didn't know it), and apart from a very mild fever for 12hrs, fatigue for 3 days and the loss of smell... I brushed it off. I'm in no rush for the any vaccine either.

 

[Zerax]

COVID won’t be going away, so it may not kill me at 39 but I’m sure it will have serious consequences at 79 and to an older age group I come into contact with. So yes , Ill taking it.

Just a thought... but maybe Covid is what what the world needs ?? We know that we have massive over-population... SE Asia already struggles to produce enough food and has largely 'fished-out' the sea/rivers. There are issues with water supplies in many countries... and of course we have the incessant pollution of our planet with plastics etc.

A 10% worldwide population reduction would make alot of sense... any volunteers ??

 

[suffolkspark]

@Zerax, I got it good and proper, like you back in Feb, (I've read it's now been confirmed it was definitely in Europe in November) I was off work for a little over 3 weeks, mind fog like never in my life, weak like never in my life, a cough like never in my life, and a temperature like never in my life, can see why it gets so many people it was nasty.

But yes we are an over populated world, so it's probably, as cold as it is to say, good for earth for our population to reduce, although it's just a drop in the ocean.

 

[DPG]

My next door neighbours both had it a few weeks ago. Both are fit healthy people who walk a lot. They said it was like nothing they have had before, it really wiped them out for a couple of weeks.

 

[telectrix]

My next door neighbours both had it a few weeks ago. Both are fit healthy people who walk a lot. They said it was like nothing they have had before, it really wiped them out for a couple of weeks.

maybe that's why i've never had it. i only walk to the pub (1/2 mile). walk or stagger back.

 

[Paul L]

Talking about reducing the world population each and every one of us is contributing to that statistic so who do you choose to reduce? Is anyone more important than anyone else? I know people are going to say survival of the fittest etc. but in my view each life is equal regardless of age, health and anything else.

 

[nicebutdim]

Talking about reducing the world population each and every one of us is contributing to that statistic so who do you choose to reduce? Is anyone more important than anyone else? I know people are going to say survival of the fittest etc. but in my view each life is equal regardless of age, health and anything else.

A common sense approach might be to produce less new lives but, given the spiralling birth rates worldwide, I don't think many people are interested in such considerations.

For the avoidance of doubt; I'm not suggesting draconian measures as witnessed some time back in China, but that people might want to make some informed decisions for themselves. I don't hold out much hope.

 

[cloverman]

Just a thought... but maybe Covid is what what the world needs ?? We know that we have massive over-population... SE Asia already struggles to produce enough food and has largely 'fished-out' the sea/rivers. There are issues with water supplies in many countries... and of course we have the incessant pollution of our planet with plastics etc.

A 10% worldwide population reduction would make alot of sense... any volunteers ??

There's a few hundred bodies sitting in a rather old building in London that I would like to put forward as volunteers

 

[pc1966]

I am not high risk by most standards, but as male, over 50, and A+ blood group I have aspects that point to a higher risk of serious problems with getting COVID. Having seen two friend suffer for many months with "long COVID" (one 60-ish, one about 28) I don't really want to go down that path.

So far in my life I have had vaccines for (at least) measles, mumps, TB (I think, at least was tested if I needed it), flu, yellow fever, typhoid, hepatitis A, hepatitis B, and rabies. In all cases there is some risk of side-effects, but rationally you get vaccinated if the risk of the disease is higher than the risk of side-effects.

Sadly COVID is not going away, it will be doing the rounds for months if not years to come, so while I might just feel crap for a few day, I might end up with life-long crippling effects from the virus as tens of thousands already are facing.

 

[Baddegg]

I think the biggest issue people have is a politician is telling em it’s ok...when normally if they say it’s raining we all look out the window ?