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Punching people in the head is wrong. When is the last time you heard anyone say "We know punching people in the head is wrong, but it happens, so let's just accept it and try to regulate it so that people don't get punched in the head too hard"???
If something is wrong, it is wrong. I will not support it, nor will I try to move the goal posts, I will try to end it.
I don't see what is wrong with Part P other than the entry requirement not being that of a qualified electrician?
Tel, to be fair that's almost a rant as not backed up by info. What I am wondering is the make-up of these organisations. Someone must make policy decisions for them, if so can this be influenced.
Nowt wrong with Part P at all. ONLY the requirement that certain jobs be notified. This is what the scams have latched on to, following closely behind are the blood suckling 'training' companies spewing out 5 week whizz kids left right and center!
God its getting boring having to try and explain this time and time again to people who stand to benefit from the current system!
The scams need to go, that is the end of it. Once they're gone, we might stand a chance of being able to rebuild this broken industry from the pile of rubble it currently occupies.
Once this all calms down and the multiple threads chill a bit I will start a new one where I will ask for a collective on what we can put into an open letter to the NICEIC, Elecsa, Napit and the goverment. In it I will put our concerns down with possible solutions. Why not try and make a change for the better. Let us not go off subject on this thread and save your ideas for a few weeks time.
So just up the qualification requirement and it would be sorted overnight. There is building regulation notification in place for many other trades too and I have no problem with that. Also, I am fully aware of the real state of our country and the electrical industry is way down on the urgency list. I have more work than I want, so it is having no detrimental effect on me.
It's actually counter productive to my company as well. With the scams in place I stand to benefit hugely in ten years time considering we pretty much only do commercial and industrial work now. The sad thing is I actually care about the safety of the general public.
Upping the level of qualification will never happen as long as there are people who stand to benefit from the bar being as low as humanly possible.
Getting rid of the scams is the ONLY real option that will bring about change. Anything else is merely peeing in the wind.
The Industrial sector will sort itself, if they have skills shortage they will need to train there own apprentices. Simple supply and demand. I myself do 80% domestic / 20% commercial. Domestic is my favourite work, I must be weird, I love the people I meet and enjoy working in homes. Part P should be detrimental to me in theory, but it simply is not, if anything, people know that there are half baked "electricians" now and keep hold of a good one like gold dust.
agreed, also these sort of customers are the ones who will not just go with the cheapest quote.
You're about two years behind fella. It's been done, they've been brought in front of a parliamentary committee to answer for their crimes and even then, after huge flaws being exposed in the way the scams are operating, the government still refused to act on any of the committee's suggestions. The fact is, there are too many brown en voles being passed around and many palms are being greased.
A large scale boycott is what is needed, failing that, the only thing unfortunately that will bring about the end of the scams is another Emma Shaw style death.
Upping the level of qualification will never happen as long as there are people who stand to benefit from the bar being as low as humanly possible.
Getting rid of the scams is the ONLY real option that will bring about change. Anything else is merely peeing in the wind.
The Industrial sector will sort itself, if they have skills shortage they will need to train there own apprentices. Simple supply and demand. I myself do 80% domestic / 20% commercial. Domestic is my favourite work, I must be weird, I love the people I meet and enjoy working in homes. Part P should be detrimental to me in theory, but it simply is not, if anything, people know that there are half baked "eectricians" now and keep hold of a good one like gold dust.
Not sure that either of these ideas will happen.
Raising the bar would make sense - but who's going to enforce that?
Getting rid of the schemes won't help either - there are so may chancers doing sparking already the situation simply won't change - in fact it could make thing worse!
So the status quo will continue....
Unless action is taken at the coal face then nothing will change..... and the same goes for pretty much all the trades - people cutting corners, bodging and scarpering.... the only "canny" people out their are the customers who do their research and identify trades people by word of mouth and recommendation.
Just saying
Hi, I would appreciate answers from those who have worked within a CPS.
From the 'Practical Solutions' thread some will have seen that I raised that it might be possible to effect change from within the schemes.
However, this is from the slightly naive vantage point of little knowledge of how their policy decisions are made.
Are there many electricians in positions of power within such schemes, or are they all managers with eyes only for greenbacks. Can policy change be effected from within.
Constructive comments from those in the know please. No rants.
Where do you live?! The Cotswolds?! Lol
Even down South where I am, I'm priced out of 90-95% of domestic work. The only real domestic work I do now is in the houses of the commercial clients I carry out work for. Normally London suburbs and large houses.
Standard day rate in my town is about ÂŁ100-ÂŁ150. I have a relative (ex domestic spark [retired now]) who 10-15 years ago wouldn't have got out of bed for less than ÂŁ200. The problem is, in my town, the ratio of 5WWs to time served guys stands at about 70-30. The market is absolutely saturated with whizzers. Hence my decision to distance myself entirely from that market.
The trade is in dire need of overhaul, and that is from a public safety perspective, nothing more.
Why the censorship of posts on here?
The secret police have been at it again!
All done with good justification
In fairness to yourself, I believe you employ others, so you have increased overheads and VAT. You will always be uncompetitive on labour. Daywork is also not a fair comparison as the amount done in a day varies between sparks. I am sole trader and that is all I want to be as I enjoy it, I have a large client base and if I have not took ÂŁ200 day (All work priced) then I have had a bad day. Nearly all repeat custom and recommends these days.Where do you live?! The Cotswolds?! Lol
Even down South where I am, I'm priced out of 90-95% of domestic work. The only real domestic work I do now is in the houses of the commercial clients I carry out work for. Normally London suburbs and large houses.
Standard day rate in my town is about ÂŁ100-ÂŁ150. I have a relative (ex domestic spark [retired now]) who 10-15 years ago wouldn't have got out of bed for less than ÂŁ200. The problem is, in my town, the ratio of 5WWs to time served guys stands at about 70-30. The market is absolutely saturated with whizzers. Hence my decision to distance myself entirely from that market.
The trade is in dire need of overhaul, and that is from a public safety perspective, nothing more.
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