accesable connections

[westward10]

I would like to know what is wrong with a well executed termination using wagos incased in a chocbox.

We apologise if we caused offence. It is a running thing with me that I do not like Chocboxes, I think they are a cheap nasty solution and there are many more alternatives for little increment in cost. Just hearing the word brings me out in a sweat

 

[Ross1]

We apologise if we caused offence. It is a running thing with me that I do not like Chocboxes, I think they are a cheap nasty solution and there are many more alternatives for little increment in cost. Just hearing the word brings me out in a sweat

Thanks westward for explaining your reason

 

[Octopus]

Hello
there is one three plate pendant in the lounge on the ground floor and I've been asked to install a new chandelier fitting about half a meter away.
the client doesnt want to keep the existing light,so i cant simply fish a cable from the ceiling rose.with the joint being accessible whats the best way to move the light without taking up the floorboards?

Moving it 0.5 metre..... How do you plan to get past any joists? Is it nearer or further away from the switch? Is the neutral at the switch? Are you plastering the ceiling?

So many questions before we even get to the thorny subject of inaccessible joints!

 

[Dave OCD]

OP - Have you tried to explain the benefits [and cost savings] of keeping the new light in the existing position to the customer ? Might be worth a try.

 

[kingeri]

I would like to know what is wrong with a well executed termination using wagos incased in a chocbox.

In this application, the joint would need to be MF, and the solution you are talking about doesn't qualify.

 

[Ross1]

In this application, the joint would need to be MF, and the solution you are talking about doesn't qualify.

Fair play, can you explain in detail why?

 

[Dave OCD]

Fairly ridiculous when you think of the quantity of screw terminal JBs across the country which are under floorboards and the like and are still as fit for purpose as when installed sometimes over 40 years ago. This along with the Amendment 3 CU regulation seems to be an attempt to lessen the risks from bad or incompetent workmanship, just my thoughts.

 

[Pete999]

Fair play, can you explain in detail why?

The joint needs to be MF because after completion the original position of the lighting fixture

Fairly ridiculous when you think of the quantity of screw terminal JBs across the country which are under floorboards and the like and are still as fit for purpose as when installed sometimes over 40 years ago. This along with the Amendment 3 CU regulation seems to be an attempt to lessen the risks from bad or incompetent workmanship, just my thoughts.

Agree with you Dave

 

[kingeri]

Fair play, can you explain in detail why?

Because to qualify as MF and carry the MF logo, the whole system (i.e. the connectors and the enclosure) need to be type tested together, as a whole unit. As soon as you use Wagos in a different enclosure than it was tested with at the time the system gained its 'MF' credentials, it ceases to be MF. Silly, but true.

 

[westward10]

Silly is an understatement there are plenty of enclosures better than those Wago boxes, they are only a notch above Chocboxes.

 

[LankyWill]

If its accessible i use a debox which are fairly well made and easy to install, its like an all in one chocbox and wago solution. Or hager J501 these are handy for lights as they have a cable clamp.Non accessible will either be crimps or the hager MF joint box J803. Id go with DaveOCD and explain why its beneficial that the light fitting stays where it is.

 

[Ross1]

Is lifting floor boards not classed as accessible guys. As long as it's location is documented on the MWC.

 

[LankyWill]

Not really mate, lifting the carpet and grabbing the crowbar doesn't come under accessible in my book. You might aswell just get MF Junction box and save your self the heartache.

 

[westward10]

A much discussed grey area, what is inaccessible because BS7671 give no definition. If it can be accessed by some means or method then it is accessible.

 

[Ross1]

To be honest guys, i always make sure that myself and the the rest of the guys always do a pukker job. No cutting corners.
I dont know if any of you have been in the same situation (ive been so busy running the business that I've been stuck in a rut using the same materials and methods for years). I know that the industry is changing all the time and that i need to make time to catch up on whats what. Its easy to fall into that trap and hands up Im guilty of it. Ive just looked up the Hager and wago MF boxes which i will use in future.

What are you thoughts on crimped and heat shrinked joints for repairs in walls?

 

[westward10]

Please don't go there

 

[Ross1]

Please don't go there

I wont...lol

 

[PEG]

Hi dude,you will be opening a long-standing pandoras box of conjecture,with your last question!

You would have to qualify the type and method,to extract my opinion.

In my experience of dissecting faults and apportioning liability,there is a world of difference between a dedicated solid strand hydraulic crimp with dielectric rated heat-shrink...and a car accessory shop crimper and heat-shrink off e-bay...

There are those who have no faith in crimps...yet sleep content that a tiny clock-spring in a lego block suffices...

In this industry,what you do,is sometimes secondary,to HOW you do it,regs aside

 

[Andy78]

A much discussed grey area, what is inaccessible because BS7671 give no definition. If it can be accessed by some means or method then it is accessible.

There is a means or method of accessing anything. A concrete floor could be chipped out by pneumatic drill to reveal a buried connection, but would this be accessible ?

I view any connection that can only be accessed by the dismantling of the fabric of a building as inaccessible.

 

[westward10]

There is a means or method of accessing anything. A concrete floor could be chipped out by pneumatic drill to reveal a buried connection, but would this be accessible ?

I view any connection that can only be accessed by the dismantling of the fabric of a building as inaccessible.

I was being a bit sarcastic but nevertheless the term accessible has not been defined. Inaccessible would generally mean it can never be accessed but in reality this can never be achieved because everything is accessible and if it was inaccessible, well you wouldn't have been able to put it there in the first place.