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Yip, they're going to be a pain. Any I've seen so far have some method of indicating the reason for tripping though, but if it's a AFDD activation it's just as likely to be an appliance fault as an install fault.Agree on comments the other thing that seems to be appearing is the actual faulty AFDD’S & actually knowing the fault especially on the combined RCBO/ AFDD.
I personally not fitted any yet & hopefully don’t have to
The thing is if something happens it comes down to a case of LL's word against the sparks word.Surely, it is the owner's responsibility to ensure that the building complies with legislation, not the electrician's.
As long a you have a written statement in your contract as to the purpose and use of the building, you should be covered legally.
Having said that, if any client of mine tried this kind of tactic, be would no longer be my client.
before the contract .LL tells spark it's a hostel - (no AFDD required), Spark issues EICR / EIC and off he goes.
.... LL produces 'Satisfactory' cert and gets HMO licence - (with no AFDD's fitted)
.... Something nasty happens and all goes bad. Investigation uncovers a cert for install that hasn't got AFDD's in a building used as an HMO
.... LL, to save his neck, says the spark said it was satisfactory and I took his word for it, he never told me I needed AFDD's and how else was I to know, that's why I got a spark to check out the wiring for me. I'm a responsible LL your Honour, I depended on the Spark to do his job right.
.... Spark says I was told it was a Hostel and did the inspection to the relevant standards in light of what I was told. How would I know a Hostel from an HMO?
.... LL - I said no such thing, just asked for a cert and got it, seems I got a cowboy spark!
It all gets into a nasty one word against the other and at best spark ends up with a very brused reputation by association and at worst.......
Which is why I suggested you get in writing (and could also add a note on the EIC) confirming the type and usage of the building. Loophole closed.The thing is if something happens it comes down to a case of LL's word against the sparks word.
... LL tells spark it's a hostel - (no AFDD required), Spark issues EICR / EIC and off he goes.
.... LL produces 'Satisfactory' cert and gets HMO licence - (with no AFDD's fitted)
.... Something nasty happens and all goes bad. Investigation uncovers a cert for install that hasn't got AFDD's in a building used as an HMO
.... LL, to save his neck, says the spark said it was satisfactory and I took his word for it, he never told me I needed AFDD's and how else was I to know, that's why I got a spark to check out the wiring for me. I'm a responsible LL your Honour, I depended on the Spark to do his job right.
.... Spark says I was told it was a Hostel and did the inspection to the relevant standards in light of what I was told. How would I know a Hostel from an HMO?
.... LL - I said no such thing, just asked for a cert and got it, seems I got a cowboy spark!
It all gets into a nasty one word against the other and at best spark ends up with a very brused reputation by association and at worst.......
Surely this needs sorted out IET??
HMO or Hostel; both would require local authority licensing, in which case I would speak with them FIRST and get it in writing where you would stand as the installer as you believe that LL has unscrupulous intentions.
If that licensing people say no AFFDs required then you are covered (as licensing conditions would be above 7671 [115.1])
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