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I'm having to get used to cherry coke. Not the same!I have noticed Greggs seem to be out of cherryade. Tried multiple outlets.
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I'm having to get used to cherry coke. Not the same!I have noticed Greggs seem to be out of cherryade. Tried multiple outlets.
Shhhhh! it's not too drastic with only a dozen pots.And that’s how Tel knows how much electricity a home weed farm takes…..
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Hope you didn’t get the bat wings from China tel?…..we’ll be back to square one ?might be OK next week. m-i-l is working on new potions since i got her some bat wings and eyes of snails.
YesHGV driver shortage: UK firms embark on the long road to plug the gap
Logistics sector ups its recruitment and training effort but big obstacles lie aheadwww.theguardian.com
Food, beer, toys, medical kit. Why is Britain running out of everything?
Poor pay and conditions for HGV drivers and the loss of many thousands of EU workers are plunging the UKs supply chain into crisiswww.theguardian.com
Minister urges firms to invest in UK-based workers in HGV driver shortage
Business secretary reported as saying foreign labour only offers ‘temporary solution’ as companies face supply chain crisiswww.theguardian.com
I keep reading news, hearing on radio and seeing on telly that the lack of lorry drivers is having more and more of an impact on our daily lives and wont stop any time soon. I was wondering if any of you guys and gals have felt this with suppliers running out of anything you use regularly?
Heard anything through the grapevine?
Started to stock up on basic things you use often to help get around this over Christmas etc?
Irish cowboy ? outfits have registered themselves as Hungarian companies and pay tax in Hungary whilst driving in the UK and IrelandThere in Spain you have front companies in Eastern Europe employing Eastern European drivers. These drivers then operate full time in the richer Western countries, while being paid Eastern Europe wages. Well in the UK now we have left your common market, the slave employers have been caught out. So yes you can get people from 26 countries, rather like Rome did with its slaves.
And no there is no huge shortage in the UK.
nah... he got them from GothamHope you didn’t get the bat wings from China tel?…..we’ll be back to square one ?
Border controls have still not been fully implemented yet. New restrictions to be implemented on 1st Oct are likely to cause more disruption.
Not until the EU goes bustI very much doubt the NI brexit situation will ever be fully resolved - at least not in the manner one might expect.
Sadly I think you could say the same about most of NI's politics.I very much doubt the NI brexit situation will ever be fully resolved - at least not in the manner one might expect.
Are you still in the same beautiful place in God's own country?Had some d*ckhead today refuse to sell me a centrifugal pump unless I had a "mainland" UK address and EORI number.
I even offered to arrange my own collection
I'll just route my business through "mainland" Europe where I live, I have an XORI number
No problem.
Sure where else would I be ?Are you still in the same beautiful place in God's own country?
Had some d*ckhead today refuse to sell me a centrifugal pump unless I had a "mainland" UK address and EORI number.
I even offered to arrange my own collection
I'll just route my business through "mainland" Europe where I live, I have an XORI number
No problem.
I honestly didn't careEither EORI or 'XI' EORI should have been fine.
Must be in a great position when he can afford to turn away business.
And mine not so far away from you.Sure where else would I be ?
Rapparees have stalked that area for many a generation ??
If you ever need a legitimate UK address and post code etc let me know.Had some d*ckhead today refuse to sell me a centrifugal pump unless I had a "mainland" UK address and EORI number.
I even offered to arrange my own collection
I'll just route my business through "mainland" Europe where I live, I have an XORI number
No problem.
Best not to start a panic buying frenzy... look where the petrol rumours got us !Started to stock up on basic things you use often to help get around this over Christmas etc?
We need to reduce the level of benefits to make working for a living viable again... I saw a programme on the TV a while ago about a single woman with kids complaining that she couldn't live on benefits (without actually telling us how much she got)... so I did my own research, filling in an on-line system called something like "what am I entitled to.com". I was astonished to see that to get the same level of net income, she'd need to have a job paying £37k per year. The TV programme didn't divulge any details on her skills... but assuming she was not skilled... there's no way she'll ever come off benefits to work in a factory !I know several factories that are trying to recruit semi skilled people for above minimum wage jobs.
most of them are saying, they can’t get people and the locals just don’t want to work.
We need to reduce the level of benefits to make working for a living viable again... I saw a programme on the TV a while ago about a single woman with kids complaining that she couldn't live on benefits (without actually telling us how much she got)... so I did my own research, filling in an on-line system called something like "what am I entitled to.com". I was astonished to see that to get the same level of net income, she'd need to have a job paying £37k per year. The TV programme didn't divulge any details on her skills... but assuming she was not skilled... there's no way she'll ever come off benefits to work in a factory !
That's a huge task and I'm not sure if any government will accomplish it, short of us encountering a protracted period of severe economic depression. Just look at the stink kicked up when the £20 lift in UC came to an end and that was only a temporary measure. There seems to be an expectation that everyone is entitled to a significant amount of money and the private sector simply doesn't have broad enough shoulders to sustain this. I honestly don't know what the answer is.
You need to be careful quoting things like this as the claiming of UC is largely a game of playing the system. I've just worked out that if you work in a factory full-time... and get minimum wage with a little bit of overtime/shift allowance etc... you can take home £1,618 per month. I currently live off alot less than that.Fair proportion of factory workers had to claim UC to top up wages.
Yeah... I agree... the country is basically run my the media... which is predominantly left wing (the BBC being a prime example). So any effort to curtail the vast welfare state is met with severe, media induced frenzy. The Blair/Brown years introduced the 'entitlement culture' which is almost impossible for us to get out of. How do you tell someone that's had something for 20 years that they are now no longer entitled to it ??That's a huge task and I'm not sure if any government will accomplish it, short of us encountering a protracted period of severe economic depression. Just look at the stink kicked up when the £20 lift in UC came to an end and that was only a temporary measure. There seems to be an expectation that everyone is entitled to a significant amount of money and the private sector simply doesn't have broad enough shoulders to sustain this. I honestly don't know what the answer is.
I currently live off alot less than that.
I've seen this a few times where work doesn't pay them enough to come off benefits they are on and they still claim they are living in poverty the other side of it is they don't have to waste any energy going to work and earning a days pay if they are on benefitsWe need to reduce the level of benefits to make working for a living viable again... I saw a programme on the TV a while ago about a single woman with kids complaining that she couldn't live on benefits (without actually telling us how much she got)... so I did my own research, filling in an on-line system called something like "what am I entitled to.com". I was astonished to see that to get the same level of net income, she'd need to have a job paying £37k per year. The TV programme didn't divulge any details on her skills... but assuming she was not skilled... there's no way she'll ever come off benefits to work in a factory !
I'm not sure a lot of European countries have enough people of working age to fill all their vacant jobs after listening to and reading various media reportsNot sure we have the population to fill these gaps. Fair proportion of factory workers had to claim UC to top up wages. Wages will have to go up but even then I suspect there will be a short fall in labour. Government will have to relax the immigration rules, probably in line with EU border control rules which we chose not to implement back in 2004. Also likely we’ll do conditional trade arrangements with other countries around the world which will allow immigration to fill labour shortages. Here comes a period of big inflation. Boris and his mates don’t really want to see any dents in their profits or any real levelling up.
Food banks are prospering in my area. No empty shelves or logistic issues in the EU.
So in the EU they are having supply issues and panic buying at fuel pumps? Exactly the same issues as here.Shortage of several hundred thousand drivers between Germany, Spain and Poland. No idea about the other 24 member states, but those three alone prove that the EU is most certainly experiencing the same issue on a grand scale.
Perhaps their media are not so heavily politicised or perhaps their media's politics fits with that of current governments.
You really need to dig deeper for your news, Europe doesn't want to air it's problems if it can avoid it while it rides the brexit wave blame game for all the UK's problemsSo in the EU they are having supply issues and panic buying at fuel pumps? Exactly the same issues as here.
I think they’re about 400k drivers short in the EU. But 400k divided by 27 with the added luxury of free movement means they’re able to react and adapt to issues more easily.Shortage of several hundred thousand drivers between Germany, Spain and Poland. No idea about the other 24 member states, but those three alone prove that the EU is most certainly experiencing the same issue on a grand scale.
Perhaps their media are not so heavily politicised or perhaps their media's politics fits with that of current governments.
So every EU state has just over 14,800 drivers spare I very much doubt itI think they’re about 400k drivers short in the EU. But 400k divided by 27 with the added luxury of free movement means they’re able to react and adapt to issues more easily.
So what benefits do we have due to Brexit? I hear there’s a shortage of child minders now and the government is looking to relax vetting your get more women back to work. What price the safety of your child? Fruit rotting in fields, no staff in slaughter houses so farmers destroying livestock. Fishing industry being bailed out by government £300m a year. Haven’t seen any benefits yet.You really need to dig deeper for your news, Europe doesn't want to air it's problems if it can avoid it while it rides the brexit wave blame game for all the UK's problems
I think they’re about 400k drivers short in the EU. But 400k divided by 27 with the added luxury of free movement means they’re able to react and adapt to issues more easily.
Not sure where you get spare drivers from? 400k drivers short divided by 27 is slightly less than 100k. They’re still short of drivers but nowhere near as much as the UK.So every EU state has just over 14,800 drivers spare I very much doubt it
I’m not a haulage expert but I suspect many of the main European haulage companies operate across many of the EU states with no border issues moving around from job to job. This used to happen in the UK. Agree re the media induced panic buying started by that BP report that it was restricting supplies.They don't have fuel shortages, because they don't have a load of idiots panic buying fuel. They do have a shortage of HGV drivers and I've already highlighted where this shortage is most acute and stated that I am unable to comment on the situation in the other 24 member states.
While free movement is well and good, it's unlikely that any one member state will send drivers to plug shortages in other member states as this would worsen their own situation.
The UK does not have a fuel shortage, but it does have a shortage of fuel at many filling stations, brought about by aforementioned media induced panic buying. Have you stopped to consider why this suddenly became an issue when fuel stocks haven't dipped, nor the shortage of drivers worsened?
I think you need to recheck your maths if they need 400k drivers then 400,000 / 27 = 14,815 rounding it up so how do you get slightly less than 100kNot sure where you get spare drivers from? 400k drivers short divided by 27 is slightly less than 100k. They’re still short of drivers but nowhere near as much as the UK.
As early as 2008 they were concerned about a driver shortage, at the time the driver CPC was being introduced the average age of a HGV driver was 56 just over 10 years on that is now 55 - 57 depending on what sources you look atHere's an interesting perspective from 2018, which addressed the issue of driver shortages in the UK and EU at that time, but obviously its predictions didn't take account of Covid...
Truck driver shortage crisis now spreading across the whole of Europe
European road transport firms are racing towards a driver shortage crisis of 150,000 unfilled jobs, according to new research from Transport Intelligence.www.bifa.org
And that is part of the cause, cheap drivers have depressed the rates in the UK and driven too many drivers away from the industryThe EU should definitely be able to handle this issue better than the UK, but it remains heavily reliant on cheap labour from poorer member states. Unless the population of those poorer member states are content to continue providing cheap labour to their wealthy neighbours, then the EU has a considerable problem coming in the future.
What the UK is experiencing is a long overdue correction of its labour market, which has been seriously compounded by the unforeseen effects of a pandemic and the unprecidented measures taken to minimise the immediate economic impact of that pandemic.
Ultimately we are where we are. Things could be better and they could also be a whole lot worse. I'd expected a much greater immediate impact after Brexit, so find myself generally content with how matters are progressing. There'll be more bumps in the future, just as there would have been if we'd remained a member of the EU.
So in the EU they are having supply issues and panic buying at fuel pumps? Exactly the same issues as here.
I think the pandemic has acted like a catalyst for the effects of brexit, certainly in respect of labour. Not too sure about cheap labour though. A lot of the Eastern European lads that went back are probably staying put now due to levelling up in Europe and them being able to earn more back home. Certainly the skilled trades guys may be difficult to get back. They were on good standard rates and I suspect were very switched on and working to a plan in respect of hard graft for a few years before returning home.Will be interesting to see what happens here with wages. Public sector is in dire straights already with 10 years of austerity and pay freezes. The private sector will have to pay more for labour which may cause a further staff shortage in public sector. A 23 year old police officer may well be thinking about getting a grant to train as an HGV driver, a couple of months training and double the wages.The EU should definitely be able to handle this issue better than the UK, but it remains heavily reliant on cheap labour from poorer member states. Unless the population of those poorer member states are content to continue providing cheap labour to their wealthy neighbours, then the EU has a considerable problem coming in the future.
What the UK is experiencing is a long overdue correction of its labour market, which has been seriously compounded by the unforeseen effects of a pandemic and the unprecidented measures taken to minimise the immediate economic impact of that pandemic.
Ultimately we are where we are. Things could be better and they could also be a whole lot worse. I'd expected a much greater immediate impact after Brexit, so find myself generally content with how matters are progressing. There'll be more bumps in the future, just as there would have been if we'd remained a member of the EU.
Increasing the number of hgv drivers is not an overnight solution.
As I said before, my dad was a driver, from years ago… Training includes having 2 years experience driving a rigid body before going for an articulated.
As for the army helping out…. I heard that since they took over driving ambulances over in Glasgow they’ve managed to crash 2 so far.
I think the pandemic has acted like a catalyst for the effects of brexit, certainly in respect of labour. Not too sure about cheap labour though. A lot of the Eastern European lads that went back are probably staying put now due to levelling up in Europe and them being able to earn more back home. Certainly the skilled trades guys may be difficult to get back. They were on good standard rates and I suspect were very switched on and working to a plan in respect of hard graft for a few years before returning home.Will be interesting to see what happens here with wages. Public sector is in dire straights already with 10 years of austerity and pay freezes. The private sector will have to pay more for labour which may cause a further staff shortage in public sector. A 23 year old police officer may well be thinking about getting a grant to train as an HGV driver, a couple of months training and double the wages.
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