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I’ve just been into Tesco’s, and in the mealy dealy aisle there was no regular red coka cola. (and very little elsewhere in the shop compared with the zero sugar stuff)
I had to get a Dr Pepper.
I had to get a Dr Pepper.
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And that’s how Tel knows how much electricity a home weed farm takes…..
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Shhhhh! it's not too drastic with only a dozen pots.
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Hope you didn’t get the bat wings from China tel?…..we’ll be back to square one ?
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HGV driver shortage: UK firms embark on the long road to plug the gap
Logistics sector ups its recruitment and training effort but big obstacles lie aheadwww.theguardian.com
Food, beer, toys, medical kit. Why is Britain running out of everything?
Poor pay and conditions for HGV drivers and the loss of many thousands of EU workers are plunging the UKs supply chain into crisis
Minister urges firms to invest in UK-based workers in HGV driver shortage
Business secretary reported as saying foreign labour only offers ‘temporary solution’ as companies face supply chain crisis
I keep reading news, hearing on radio and seeing on telly that the lack of lorry drivers is having more and more of an impact on our daily lives and wont stop any time soon. I was wondering if any of you guys and gals have felt this with suppliers running out of anything you use regularly?
Heard anything through the grapevine?
Started to stock up on basic things you use often to help get around this over Christmas etc?
I had to wait a fortnight to get a decoiler from Walsall to Ireland. It was actually picked up in a van and delivered to Liverpool before being placed on a trailer
I'm also waiting on a SMC Rodless cylinder which is being held up by Parcel Force. It's already a week late
These issues have had an affect on production output
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Irish cowboy ? outfits have registered themselves as Hungarian companies and pay tax in Hungary whilst driving in the UK and Ireland
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nah... he got them from Gotham
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I very much doubt the NI brexit situation will ever be fully resolved - at least not in the manner one might expect. There are differing expectations on both sides of local politics, neither of which can be fully satisfied and neither of which can be ignored.
Political bluster from Westminister, Dublin and Brussels aside, I'm certain the underlying issues are recognised and that some accomodation will eventually be reached. Ideally it will be one that recognises the fact that soil from GB poses less risk to Irish biodiversity, than soil from the far side of Europe and that the NHS in NI needs to receive supplies of drugs from GB. Hopefully it will also recognise the fact that M&S pork pies will not cause the collapse of political union within Europe.
What should be remembered is that while the NI Protocol is a binding agreement between the UK & EU, and both sides are expected to uphold their obligations, it contains several clauses that legitimately allow either side to take unilateral actions - these can be modest, as we've already seen, but also (in certain circumstances) they allow for more drastic action.
Who knows where it will end up, but I'd wager it'll all be settled in a reasonable manner - whether or not some major rows erupt in the mean time is another matter entirely.
Not until the EU goes bust
Sadly I think you could say the same about most of NI's politics.
That is the key point, politics is about rules and one-upmanship. Practical and sensible arrangements are usually reserved for the lower larys in society. Like the engineers that actually make things work.
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Had some d*ckhead today refuse to sell me a centrifugal pump unless I had a "mainland" UK address and EORI number.
I even offered to arrange my own collection
I'll just route my business through "mainland" Europe where I live, I have an XORI number
No problem.
I even offered to arrange my own collection
I'll just route my business through "mainland" Europe where I live, I have an XORI number
No problem.
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Are you still in the same beautiful place in God's own country?
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Sure where else would I be ?Are you still in the same beautiful place in God's own country?
Rapparees have stalked that area for many a generation ??
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Either EORI or 'XI' EORI should have been fine.
Must be in a great position when he can afford to turn away business.
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I honestly didn't care
I've had to pay Russians to buy me produce out of China before due to different reasons
There's always a way if you throw enough money at something ?
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And mine not so far away from you.
OP
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If you ever need a legitimate UK address and post code etc let me know.
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We need to reduce the level of benefits to make working for a living viable again... I saw a programme on the TV a while ago about a single woman with kids complaining that she couldn't live on benefits (without actually telling us how much she got)... so I did my own research, filling in an on-line system called something like "what am I entitled to.com". I was astonished to see that to get the same level of net income, she'd need to have a job paying £37k per year. The TV programme didn't divulge any details on her skills... but assuming she was not skilled... there's no way she'll ever come off benefits to work in a factory !
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Not sure we have the population to fill these gaps. Fair proportion of factory workers had to claim UC to top up wages. Wages will have to go up but even then I suspect there will be a short fall in labour. Government will have to relax the immigration rules, probably in line with EU border control rules which we chose not to implement back in 2004. Also likely we’ll do conditional trade arrangements with other countries around the world which will allow immigration to fill labour shortages. Here comes a period of big inflation. Boris and his mates don’t really want to see any dents in their profits or any real levelling up.
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That's a huge task and I'm not sure if any government will accomplish it, short of us encountering a protracted period of severe economic depression. Just look at the stink kicked up when the £20 lift in UC came to an end and that was only a temporary measure. There seems to be an expectation that everyone is entitled to a significant amount of money and the private sector simply doesn't have broad enough shoulders to sustain this. I honestly don't know what the answer is.
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That's what annoys me - the media and labour keep going on about the 'nasty Tories' cutting universal credit, when it was always clear that it was a temporary increase. It's not a cut at all.
And don't forget, it's us hard workers that fund people on benefits. Obviously I know benefits are essential to some people, but don't we all know people who sponge off the state when they could easily be working? I know I certainly do.
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You need to be careful quoting things like this as the claiming of UC is largely a game of playing the system. I've just worked out that if you work in a factory full-time... and get minimum wage with a little bit of overtime/shift allowance etc... you can take home £1,618 per month. I currently live off alot less than that.
The problem comes with if you have dependents (as they are a benefit multiplier) when you're able to claim far more in benefits than you'll earn from a factory job... hence the numbers from my previous post.
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Yeah... I agree... the country is basically run my the media... which is predominantly left wing (the BBC being a prime example). So any effort to curtail the vast welfare state is met with severe, media induced frenzy. The Blair/Brown years introduced the 'entitlement culture' which is almost impossible for us to get out of. How do you tell someone that's had something for 20 years that they are now no longer entitled to it ??
Even things like the current panic buying frenzy of petrol/diesel is largely being billed by the media as a failure of government or a consequence of Brexit or a lack of tanker drivers... when in reality it's caused by the media banging on about a fuel supply crisis !! We still have the same fuel supply as we've had for years... and we still have the same fuel usage that we've had for years... the difference is that a load of selfish idiotic morons have decided that they need to keep their car filled to the brim... or fill up every single container they have with spare fuel !!
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When figures are quoted for average wages, I suspect the self-employed are not included. I've had plently of times when earning minimum wage would have been like living the life of a millionaire and a huge number of self-employed often fall through the cracks (conveniently for both sides of the argument).
I've seen this a few times where work doesn't pay them enough to come off benefits they are on and they still claim they are living in poverty the other side of it is they don't have to waste any energy going to work and earning a days pay if they are on benefits
I'm not sure a lot of European countries have enough people of working age to fill all their vacant jobs after listening to and reading various media reports
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Shortage of several hundred thousand drivers between Germany, Spain and Poland. No idea about the other 24 member states, but those three alone prove that the EU is most certainly experiencing the same issue on a grand scale.
Perhaps their media are not so heavily politicised or perhaps their media's politics fits with that of current governments.
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So in the EU they are having supply issues and panic buying at fuel pumps? Exactly the same issues as here.
You really need to dig deeper for your news, Europe doesn't want to air it's problems if it can avoid it while it rides the brexit wave blame game for all the UK's problems
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I think they’re about 400k drivers short in the EU. But 400k divided by 27 with the added luxury of free movement means they’re able to react and adapt to issues more easily.
So every EU state has just over 14,800 drivers spare I very much doubt it
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So what benefits do we have due to Brexit? I hear there’s a shortage of child minders now and the government is looking to relax vetting your get more women back to work. What price the safety of your child? Fruit rotting in fields, no staff in slaughter houses so farmers destroying livestock. Fishing industry being bailed out by government £300m a year. Haven’t seen any benefits yet.
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They don't have fuel shortages, because they don't have a load of idiots panic buying fuel. They do have a shortage of HGV drivers and I've already highlighted where this shortage is most acute and stated that I am unable to comment on the situation in the other 24 member states.
While free movement is well and good, it's unlikely that any one member state will send drivers to plug shortages in other member states as this would worsen their own situation.
The UK does not have a fuel shortage, but it does have a shortage of fuel at many filling stations, brought about by aforementioned media induced panic buying. Have you stopped to consider why this suddenly became an issue when fuel stocks haven't dipped, nor the shortage of drivers worsened?
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I’m not a haulage expert but I suspect many of the main European haulage companies operate across many of the EU states with no border issues moving around from job to job. This used to happen in the UK. Agree re the media induced panic buying started by that BP report that it was restricting supplies.
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The EU should definitely be able to handle this issue better than the UK, but it remains heavily reliant on cheap labour from poorer member states. Unless the population of those poorer member states are content to continue providing cheap labour to their wealthy neighbours, then the EU has a considerable problem coming in the future.
What the UK is experiencing is a long overdue correction of its labour market, which has been seriously compounded by the unforeseen effects of a pandemic and the unprecidented measures taken to minimise the immediate economic impact of that pandemic.
Ultimately we are where we are. Things could be better and they could also be a whole lot worse. I'd expected a much greater immediate impact after Brexit, so find myself generally content with how matters are progressing. There'll be more bumps in the future, just as there would have been if we'd remained a member of the EU.
What the UK is experiencing is a long overdue correction of its labour market, which has been seriously compounded by the unforeseen effects of a pandemic and the unprecidented measures taken to minimise the immediate economic impact of that pandemic.
Ultimately we are where we are. Things could be better and they could also be a whole lot worse. I'd expected a much greater immediate impact after Brexit, so find myself generally content with how matters are progressing. There'll be more bumps in the future, just as there would have been if we'd remained a member of the EU.
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Here's an interesting perspective from 2018, which addressed the issue of driver shortages in the UK and EU at that time, but obviously its predictions didn't take account of Covid...
www.bifa.org
Truck driver shortage crisis now spreading across the whole of Europe
European road transport firms are racing towards a driver shortage crisis of 150,000 unfilled jobs, according to new research from Transport Intelligence.
I think you need to recheck your maths if they need 400k drivers then 400,000 / 27 = 14,815 rounding it up so how do you get slightly less than 100k
The only reason the UK is short of drivers is because the employers hae been treating them as a low value commodity for many years, I know quite a few people who have a class 1 HGV licence who stopped driving trucks because employers kept on dropping the rates even the ADR rates went down to as little as 10p / hr extra for hauling hazardous goods
Dig deeper for your news and facts
As early as 2008 they were concerned about a driver shortage, at the time the driver CPC was being introduced the average age of a HGV driver was 56 just over 10 years on that is now 55 - 57 depending on what sources you look atHere's an interesting perspective from 2018, which addressed the issue of driver shortages in the UK and EU at that time, but obviously its predictions didn't take account of Covid...
Truck driver shortage crisis now spreading across the whole of Europe
European road transport firms are racing towards a driver shortage crisis of 150,000 unfilled jobs, according to new research from Transport Intelligence.
And that is part of the cause, cheap drivers have depressed the rates in the UK and driven too many drivers away from the industry
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You seem to only read the information that fits in with your opinions
, as far as I can see anyway.
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I think the pandemic has acted like a catalyst for the effects of brexit, certainly in respect of labour. Not too sure about cheap labour though. A lot of the Eastern European lads that went back are probably staying put now due to levelling up in Europe and them being able to earn more back home. Certainly the skilled trades guys may be difficult to get back. They were on good standard rates and I suspect were very switched on and working to a plan in respect of hard graft for a few years before returning home.Will be interesting to see what happens here with wages. Public sector is in dire straights already with 10 years of austerity and pay freezes. The private sector will have to pay more for labour which may cause a further staff shortage in public sector. A 23 year old police officer may well be thinking about getting a grant to train as an HGV driver, a couple of months training and double the wages.
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Increasing the number of hgv drivers is not an overnight solution.
As I said before, my dad was a driver, from years ago… Training includes having 2 years experience driving a rigid body before going for an articulated.
As for the army helping out…. I heard that since they took over driving ambulances over in Glasgow they’ve managed to crash 2 so far.
As I said before, my dad was a driver, from years ago… Training includes having 2 years experience driving a rigid body before going for an articulated.
As for the army helping out…. I heard that since they took over driving ambulances over in Glasgow they’ve managed to crash 2 so far.
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Don't think that's correct - a mate of mine trained to be an HGV driver last year and went straight on to artics.
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This rather oversimplifies the issue.
Most Eastern Europeans who settled in the UK have remained here and have the same opportunities as everyone else on these islands, while many of those who came for seasonal or temporary work will have returned home or sought work in other parts of the EU. Many of the former have raised families for whom the UK is the only home they've ever known.
The issue of cheap labour became quite comical during the great Brexit debate of 2016-2020 as opponents of Brexit were adament that no immigrants were employed on the basis of low priced labour, yet went on to lament the increasing cost of labour as short term workers left the UK - basically undermining their own prior arguments.
I also don't agree about Public sector wages. It is without doubt that pay freezes will certainly have been felt by these workers and will have problems, but this was more a levelling of the playing field as Public Sector workers had previously enjoyed much better average earnings than their Private Sector counterparts - they still enjoy better benefits and pensions. The main issue with the UK Public Sector is not with wages for the average employee, though, but with the sheer number of people employed in Public Sector roles and the overall burden on our economy. Many in the Public Sector are vital to the functioning of our society, but there have been a plethora of unnecessary management positions and new roles created, over the last number of decades, that are totally unnecessary. As a former policeman, you'll be aware of how much bureaucracy there is impeding those at the coal face.
As for the pandemic? Brexit was never going to be a walk in the park, but the last 18 months have thrown up many challenges around the globe, but in the UK they are often used as arguments against leaving the EU. At this stage it is long since time that people accepted what the electorate voted for, pulled themselves out of the past and set about doing something positive for the next generations.
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