Blanks missing from CU in 2 senarios

[Nigel]

I agree, there is potential. Seems to me people jump on the Code 1 train at every opportunity, I rarely note a Code 1.

I also hardly ever issue C1s but an exposed conductive part available to touch is a C1. There is no debate about it in my opinion.

 

[Darkwood]

That looks like mine that was deleted. It was meant as tongue in cheek, hence the winky smiley face.

No worries, rib tickling and banter are fine lines to play on the forum, and is a card that is easily overplayed given that your only real knowledge of other members is their name and avatar mst of the time, the worst time to post it does tend to be after a disagreement of position. Playing such a card at the right time is an art in itself given the natural design of forums to mask members identities.
Yes I noted it was probably done more in a jovial context and given your apology I'm sure all is resolved

I don't think Dilb is a sensitive soul as you put it, it was just given the little to an fro between you both prior it was just a little misjudged to post it and sensing it could become something more he felt it best to nip it in the bud, I did agree with the position that it can be taken personally giving the previous posts leading to it hence my interjection.

 

[westward10]

Of course there is debate as there are no guidelines. There is potential to cause harm and of course the style of dist board may affect the decision.

 

[Deleted member 26818]

A C2 for an exposed conductive part available to touch?

I wouldn’t apply a code for an exposed conductive part available to touch.

 

[Nigel]

I wouldn’t apply a code for an exposed conductive part available to touch.

Ok

 

[Deleted member 26818]

Ok

I’m in my kitchen at the moment.
In my kitchen are 2 radiators, a fridge freezer, washing machine, kettle, pedal bin, stainless steel sink, microwave, toaster, 3 door handles some cutlery, amongst other things.
All are conductive and all are exposed to touch.

I can see you having fun with metal CUs.

 

[MG201]

I would apply a code C2 in both scenarios.
There is a potential for danger.

Just shows how much the regs are down to the individual to interpret. I understand every case is diffrent e.g. location access etc.

 

[Nigel]

I’m in my kitchen at the moment.
In my kitchen are 2 radiators, a fridge freezer, washing machine, kettle, pedal bin, stainless steel sink, microwave, toaster, 3 door handles some cutlery, amongst other things.
All are conductive and all are exposed to touch.

I can see you having fun with metal CUs.

Well done. You got me there.

 

[Deleted member 26818]

Just shows how much the regs are down to the individual to interpret. I understand every case is diffrent e.g. location access etc.

It’s not an interpretation, it’s an application of the Regulations as written.

 

[Nigel]

It’s not an interpretation, it’s an application of the Regulations as written.

Which are totally open to interpretation.

 

[Deleted member 26818]

Which are totally open to interpretation.

Code C2 for missing blank plate.
Code C1 for exposed ‘live’ conductive parts.

 

[Risteard]

It’s not an interpretation, it’s an application of the Regulations as written.

Not sure how bins, radiators etc. would meet the BS7671 definition of exposed conductive parts... They don't form part of the electrical installation.

 

[Deleted member 26818]

Not sure how bins, radiators etc. would meet the BS7671 definition of exposed conductive parts... They don't form part of the electrical installation.

A metal CU does.
Metal conduit does.
Metal clad sockets do.
Face plate screws do.
Etc.

 

[solarsavings]

Not in the same way a buss bar does.

 

[HappyHippyDad]

I would 99.9% of the time code a missing blank as C1 and I rarely give C1's.

It's a great big hole with a big piece of live copper behind it which is easily touchable!

 

[westward10]

Yes a potential danger which is not the standing of a Code 1.

 

[Nigel]

Yes a potential danger which is not the standing of a Code 1.

What would you consider a C1?

 

[westward10]

What would you consider a C1?

I think the Code definitions are poorly defined. Code 1 Danger present, what does that actually actually represent. Code 2 Potentially dangerous is clear that there is potential for an incident. An mcb blank missing offers a potential to danger.
So what is Danger present?

 

[Nigel]

I think the Code definitions are poorly defined. Code 1 Danger present, what does that actually actually represent. Code 2 Potentially dangerous is clear that there is potential for an incident. An mcb blank missing offers a potential to danger.
So what is Danger present?

Answer my question first.

 

[westward10]

No.