Bodge job by NIC registered company , Help please

[lee0069]

Hi I really could use some advive

There is a bin store near my building and the work has been done by an NICEIC company but i have made complaints to the coucil and got no where , compained twice to the company that did this work in the past 2 months and nothing has been done, i have also tried to phone the NICEIC but they say only the person who is ordering / the cient can complain.

I have listed the problems with it bellow and added some images

Conduit not continuous
Conduit not earthed
Conduit not secure
Conduit is rusting

In this state it should have been given additional protection by a 30ma RCD , in its current state there is a potential risk of electric shock if the conduit is pulled.

Whats my next move , i feel like iam banging my head against a brick wall.

 

[uksparks]

Lee0069, tell me about you, are you an Electrician?

 

[lee0069]

Yes i have done my City and guilds 2330 level2 have 17th edition and a member of a scam provider

 

[uksparks]

Hi,

The issue of it being not continuous, if I had done it it would be continuous, but maybe they had their reasons...

The fact its not secure and rusting, thats just poor workman ship, as for the rust, maybe it was a badly galvanized section..

If not RCD protected, then you would think it would need bonding really wouldnt you.

 

[Deleted member 72666]

They should of at the very least used a galv. adaptable box or a running coupling on the other side of that door frame to keep it continuous.

 

[lee0069]

Yea thats my point , there is no RCD whats so ever , they have done the same kind of thing to 3 other bin stores down my road as well, it feels like this whole part-p is a joke , if i done some thing like this i would not be able to sleep at night.

 

[a1guvner]

The possible rust does look like the residue of cutting grease to me............

 

[uksparks]

The possible rust does look like the residue of cutting grease to me............

Could be yes, it could be rust, but not 100% sure without seing it.

 

[a1guvner]

Could be yes, it could be rust, but not 100% sure without seing it.

Thought it could be by the coupler going on to the light

 

[lee0069]

Well my main worry is that if some one pulled on that conduit the whole dam thing would become live and as i have said there is no RCD, just dont know what to do next.

 

[a1guvner]

Well my main worry is that if some one pulled on that conduit the whole dam thing would become live and as i have said there is no RCD, just dont know what to do next.

Another possible route could be the HSE as its a public place, they would have a bit more clout than you............

 

[lee0069]

Thanks... did not think of that

 

[Knobhead]

In this state it should have been given additional protection by a 30ma RCD , in its current state there is a potential risk of electric shock if the conduit is pulled.

Whats my next move , i feel like iam banging my head against a brick wall.

Put your Marigolds on and give the conduit a good yank. That should sort it out

 

[Geordie Spark]

Put your Marigolds on and give the conduit a good yank. That should sort it out

That's more like it!!

We can always rely on Wor Tony to come up with a pragmatic solution to any problem!

I'm sure he must have some Geordie blood sloshing around in his arteries along with the alcohol

 

[telectrix]

in a bin park. what you might call a rubbish installation.

 

[davesparks]

Why does it need an RCD?

 

[Plonker 3]

Why does it need an RCD?

Because thats all DIs install as it there way of making everything uber safe without actually knowing what they are doing alot of the time.

 

[amlu]

couple of screws, wall plugs, conduit clips should do the job securing it. otherwise wait when its get knocked properly by a moving bin.

 

[Geordie Spark]

in a bin park. what you might call a rubbish installation.

We did not wish to hear that.

Kindly leave the stage!

Ye've been Paid Off bonny lad ...... There's nee need f'ye t' dey yer second set .. noo gerroot!!!

(Standard WM Clubs Concert Chairman's phrase)

 

[infinity]

Regardless if the conduit continuity it wouldn't require rcd protection of its surface mounted, assuming it's not for sockets, and in theory it doesn't have to be continuous, the T&E has it's own mechanical protection , although it looks rough

 

[Knobhead]

Why does it need an RCD?

Good question, answers on a postcard please.

Because that's all DI's install, it's their way of making everything "safe" without knowing why or what they are doing.

I'll agree with Dillb now I've corrected his post.

 

[lee0069]

Regulation 411.4.2
Each exposed conductive part of the installation shall be connected by a protective conductor to the main earthing of the installation, which shall be connected to the earthed point of the power supply system.

Regulation 522.6.6 (iii)

The cable must be enclosed in earthed trunking or ducting
as specified in 522.6.6.(iii)

If the above where done then yes it would not require an RCD

 

[davesparks]

It doesn't need an RCD as it is now, it just needs fixing!

An RCD does not negate the need for steel conduit to be earthed or for it to be properly constructed.

An RCD is not a magical device that excuses all bad workmanship!

 

[davesparks]

Ok I can't even find 522.6.6 in my regs book, the nearest thing is 522.6.100 onwards which variously contain those words. But they all specifically relate to concealed cables, not surface conduit work.

 

[lee0069]

Wel maybe you would like to read this: http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rc...zbQHBXjklYkANBA&bvm=bv.76477589,d.ZGU&cad=rja
All my point is is that the conduit has to be earthed

 

[Silly Sausage]

What's occurring in the 2nd picture where the tube is cut off?
Where are the cables going?

522.6.6.200 says it should be coloured in brick pattern paint. Fail!

 

[davesparks]

Wel maybe you would like to read this: http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rc...zbQHBXjklYkANBA&bvm=bv.76477589,d.ZGU&cad=rja
All my point is is that the conduit has to be earthed

That link is irrelevant as it is only concerned with buried cables, not surface installations.


You are probably right that it should be earthed, but an RCD is not an alternative so fitting one will achieve nothing, so again why do you think it should have an RCD fitted?

I say probably as it is obviously T&E inside the conduit, which is a wiring system in its own right, so it is possible that there could be some debate from some quarters as to whether it needs earthing or bonding or neither.

Also as T&E is suitable for use without additional mechanical protection there is no requirement for the conduit to pass through the doorframe.

 

[snowhead]

Ignoring whether an RCD is required or not;

How has the O.P established there is no RCD fitted, when it's not in His/Her premises?

 

[lee0069]

Yes but as the conduit is insecure and the cable could be pulled out if the light fitting , and the line condutor could be toching the unearthed conduit .Am i the only one who can see some one getting an electric shock?

And yes i agree if the conduit was secure and continious then there is no need for an RCD , but the conduit has never been earthed or mechanicly or electricy continious.

 

[Guest77]

[h=2]Help please[/h]
whats the problem Lee?