Can anyone explain how Klik's work?

[BiddeldyBwah]

I'm working with these at work at the minute and they really confuse me. Unfortunately everyone is too busy to take the time to explain them properly so i'm left guessing.

We have a 4 core YY coming from the board (which i've not seen), feeding a row of lights that is a mixture of emergency and regular industrial LED downlights about 10 inches in diameter, all lights are on PIR's.

I know how to wire it up to get what we want but don't understand how it's all working.

The normal clicks are L N E and Loop and the wiring is 1 in Live, 2 in N, 3 in Loop and E in E. One cable in, one out to the next light.

When we come to the emergencies, the number 3 wire in Loop gets put into the Aux.

What i don't get is how the board is feeding it all and what the Aux actually does.

Is it that the L goes through the plug, into the PIR which then switches on, connecting the L and Aux together?

If you look at a Klik wiring diagram it shows live into loop, and then out of loop into a switch before being wired into the L terminal.

Confused.

 

[Vortigern]

You need a permanent and switched live to maintained emergency lights. The fourth wire will be the permanent live. Usually the Klix are red in such a case.

 

[nicebutdim]

PL supplies permanent power for battery charging.

 

[Lister1987]

Just made myself a few Klik test leads, fiddly little bastards thry are!: 3 pin,4 pin and 7 pin. I know they're a Hager product bit are there other brands out there that have a take on it?

 

[BiddeldyBwah]

So how do they work with PIR's on?

The L is the switch live but as they are on PIR's they are permanently on, just on a key switch i presume.

So how are the permanent live and switch live at the klik, which are both basically permanently live since the switch is always on (there are no normal switches on this installation it's just key switches) then go into using the PIR as a switch to turn the actual light on?

 

[Eddy Currents]

Permanent live from the DB through a key switch into A on emergency kliks
PIRs also use emergency kliks, permanent from A, SW into L
Lights wired to L and Emergency lights permanent to A, SW to L

A is always live and charging emergencies when key switch is on, use keyswitch for emergency test
L is only live when PIRs activate

 

[mattg4321]

Also worth noting that some older sparks call them rock roses as I think I’m right in saying Ashley Rock used to be the brand name until Hager bought them and rebranded the product Klik roses.

 

[casperLennon]

Have you tried drawing it out. I find that helps me to understand things which then helps it’s to stick in my head

 

[nicebutdim]

So how do they work with PIR's on?

The L is the switch live but as they are on PIR's they are permanently on, just on a key switch i presume.

So how are the permanent live and switch live at the klik, which are both basically permanently live since the switch is always on (there are no normal switches on this installation it's just key switches) then go into using the PIR as a switch to turn the actual light on?

Permanent live is permanently live, other than test situations or power failure, and simply powers emergency battery charging.

Switched live powers the lighting through a switch, just like a domestic lighting circuit - in this case the switch is a PIR.

Both lives are part of the same circuit, as they originate at the same breaker and share neutral & earth, but provide live feed to different parts of the circuit.

Emergency operation remains in standby while powered, then activates when mains power is cut.


I'm sure someone can put this in better terms.

 

[BiddeldyBwah]

L is only live when PIRs activate

I get all the rest of it but not this bit. The actual klik rose box (not the klik plug) is wired with an L from the DB which is permanently live, so how does the PIR only make it live when it's activated?

We've got 1, 2, 3 and E. 1 and 3 are live, 2 is neutral.

1 always goes in L from the DB but 3 goes in Loop if it's a normal light and A if it's emergency.

I understand how the wiring goes i just don't understand how the PIR works.