Can anyone explain how Klik's work?

[nicebutdim]

I get all the rest of it but not this bit. The actual klik rose box (not the klik plug) is wired with an L from the DB which is permanently live, so how does the PIR only make it live when it's activated?

Have you tried drawing the circuit?

I'm no longer certain what question you want answered as it seems to have changed from the question posed in the OP.

This last post seems to be asking why a lamp lights when the switch is activated, but that clearly isn't what you want to know.

 

[BiddeldyBwah]

Have you tried drawing the circuit?

I can't because i don't know what's doing what.

L from DB to L in Klik.
Plug on click connects to L and makes PIR live. PIR switches live which turns the light on.

That's the best i've got.

It's annoying because i know exactly how to install them i just can't explain how they work if someone asks me.

I know L is supposed to be switched live on a normal klik without PIR, i just don't get how we go from a switch on the watch for that L to it being activated after the klik rose by the PIR. Unless it's L into the PIR and the PIR then switches the light on.

 

[nicebutdim]

Perhaps you could post an image the exact rose in question - any I've encountered have simply been plug in connectors, which allow each conductor to fulfill their intended purpose, and employ no form of trickery.

 

[BiddeldyBwah]

Perhaps you could post an image the exact rose in question - any I've encountered have simply been plug in connectors, which allow each conductor to fulfill their intended purpose, and employ no form of trickery.

Yeah to be fair we've got like 50 LED downlights in a row, with klik on each one, and every other one is an emergency where we put the #3 wire into A instead of Loop. I think there's 12 circuits or something in total controlling it all so it's not that simple.

I just think L ---> PIR ---> Switches on Light but when people then refer to the L as the switch wire i don't get how it does when in that situation it's essentially the feed even though it's run through an on-all-the-time emergency key switch.

What's confusing me is instead of going to the switch and then onto the klik, we've got permanent live up to the klik, and THEN, after the power has arrived at the klik, the PIR acts as the switch. So where is the switch wire? Or does the PIR have an inbuilt switch wire that makes the connection and turns the light on?

Maybe we've done it in a slightly different way or something.

I can do 2 way, intermediate lighting easily without even thinking about it but this has had me confused for at least a day now.

I think i'll follow the circuit from DB to end of run when i'm next on that job and see if i can figure it out that way.

 

[telectrix]

the PIR has a permanent feed. maybe via the EM keyswitch. when it activates, the output terminal goes live to energise the light. so this may well be connected to the Sw/L on the Klik.

 

[Eddy Currents]

Just imagine the PIR as a switch (with a neutral), permanent live in, SW live out but the PIR does the switching on detection instead of a manual switch

 

[westward10]

Assuming the cable to the motion sensor has a cpc then you have a four core cable, permanent live, switch live return, neutral and cpc. The permanent live is also utilised for the em lighting at the Klix marshalling box.

 

[Eddy Currents]

I get all the rest of it but not this bit. The actual klik rose box (not the klik plug) is wired with an L from the DB which is permanently live, so how does the PIR only make it live when it's activated?

We've got 1, 2, 3 and E. 1 and 3 are live, 2 is neutral.

1 always goes in L from the DB but 3 goes in Loop if it's a normal light and A if it's emergency.

I understand how the wiring goes i just don't understand how the PIR works.

This doesn't sound right

Feed L from DB should go in A for emergency klik or Loop for a normal
You can wire the other way around as long as the plugs are also wired the same but you say other kliks are right

 

[BiddeldyBwah]

This doesn't sound right

Feed L from DB should go in A for emergency klik or Loop for a normal
You can wire the other way around as long as the plugs are also wired the same but you say other kliks are right

Sorry i meant the wire that goes in L on the klik is live all the time but it goes through a bank of emergency key switches next to the DB which are on all the time so it's essentially it's a permanent live.

 

[westward10]

When you say live all the time at the Klix is this the marshalling box where all the plugs are.