EICR or Minor Works???

[dtec dave]

Just a quick one.. I have been to a job today where the shower isolator switch had burnt out, as it wasn't RCD protected I replaced the switch with a 1 way consumer unit with an RCD.

My question is..do I need to do a full EIC or would a minor works do?

Cheers

 

[Nigel]

Is this a troll post?

 

[Octopus]

An EICR is a report on an installation

A MWC is a certificate to confirm changes or replacements to existing circuits ...

An EIC covers new circuits ...

What exactly did you do?

 

[dtec dave]

Sorry..typo not an EICR..meant an EIC..

 

[dtec dave]

Is this a troll post?

An EICR is a report on an installation

A MWC is a certificate to confirm changes or replacements to existing circuits ...

An EIC covers new circuits ...

What exactly did you do?

Shower isolator had burned out and was faulty.

The existing shower circuit wasn't RCD protected so replaced the shower isolator with a 1 way consumer unit which had an RCD.

 

[dtec dave]

Is this a troll post?

Yours is a troll post.

 

[Octopus]

The existing shower circuit wasn't RCD protected so replaced the shower isolator with a 1 way consumer unit which had an RCD.

An EIC .....

You can not use an EICR to certificate changes to an installation

 

[dtec dave]

An EIC .....

You can not use an EICR to certificate changes to an installation

Why an EIC, because I have added the RCD?

 

[dtec dave]

An EIC .....

You can not use an EICR to certificate changes to an installation

I accidentally typed EICR instead of EIC, I'm not trying to certify it with an EICR, just wondering if the above work I did would be an EIC or MWC

 

[Octopus]

You have terminated an existing circuit into a sub fuseboard and added a new circuit .....

Hence the EIC and of course part p notification ...

 

[dtec dave]

You have terminated an existing circuit into a sub fuseboard and added a new circuit .....

Hence the EIC and of course part p notification ...

OK..Thanks.

 

[Deleted member 26818]

I would see it as an alteration to an existing circuit.
Minor Electrical Works Installtion Certificate.
Existing circuit, replacement isolator, new enclosure with new RCD.

 

[Deleted account]

New consumer unit. EIC.
Doesn't matter how big it is or if it's a sub..

 

[Pete999]

Shower isolator had burned out and was faulty.

The existing shower circuit wasn't RCD protected so replaced the shower isolator with a 1 way consumer unit which had an RCD.

So you altered an already existing circuit correct? MNW can I clarify my comment and explain my conclusions, before the keyboard warriors rip me to shreds?
My thoughts are that the OP has replaced the damaged Shower isolator with a 1 way CU incorporating a RCD, he has not wired a new circuit, neither has he changed the CU at least that's how I understand what he has done. Perhaps I have miss read, but I don't think so, awaiting the deluge of abuse.

 

[Pete999]

So you altered an already existing circuit correct? MNW can I clarify my comment and explain my conclusions, before the keyboard warriors rip me to shreds?
My thoughts are that the OP has replaced the damaged Shower isolator with a 1 way CU incorporating a RCD, he has not wired a new circuit, neither has he changed the CU at least that's how I understand what he has done. Perhaps I have miss read, but I don't think so, awaiting the deluge of abuse.

PS I'm assuming the shower isolator was a wall mounted unit, NOT a ceiling switch.

 

[Wilko]

Hi - the new "one way consumer unit which had an RCD" also had an MCB in it? This means (to me) there are now two circuits where there was one, each with its own earth loop and ADS times to be met.

 

[Pete999]

Hi - the new "one way consumer unit which had an RCD" also had an MCB in it? This means (to me) there are now two circuits where there was one, each with its own earth loop and ADS times to be met.

Going with that analogy Wilko, if and I say if the OP had swapped the shower switch with a RCD / FSU instead of a small CU, would that not be similar, or the same as using a CU, after all, all he is doing is fusing down via the CB and adding a RCD? it's an imponderable I guess, which can/could argued either way, well that's how I tend to see it.

 

[Wilko]

Oh dear, thought I had a handle on this one ... more to think about .

 

[Octopus]

A photo would come in handy!

 

[Pete999]

Oh dear, thought I had a handle on this one ... more to think about .

Just like some TV detective show we need a Poirot type or the Guys from Hunting Hitler.

 

[Pete999]

Oh dear, thought I had a handle on this one ... more to think about .

Lateral thinking Wilko.

 

[westward10]

Overall it seems a bizarre thing to have done.

 

[dtec dave]

Overall it seems a bizarre thing to have done.

Really bizzare..putting an RCD on a shower when there wasn't one there before..what was I thinking??

 

[Nigel]

This is a EIC in my opinion. The supply to the shower isolator is now a distribution circuit.

Also the shower isolator did not burn out because there was no RCD installed.

 

[Pete999]

This is a EIC in my opinion. The supply to the shower isolator is now a distribution circuit.

Also the shower isolator did not burn out because there was no RCD installed.

You haven't wired a new circuit, you have altered an existing circuit MNW

 

[westward10]

Really bizzare..putting an RCD on a shower when there wasn't one there before..what was I thinking??

I agree, what were you thinking. Straight forward replacement switch with a departure on the Minor Works additional rcd protection not provided, existing circuit.

 

[Nigel]

You haven't wired a new circuit, you have altered an existing circuit MNW

An EIC is not just for new circuits.

 

[dtec dave]

I agree, what were you thinking. Straight forward replacement switch with a departure on the Minor Works additional rcd protection not provided, existing circuit.

Sorry but I like to add an RCD if it's possible.

 

[dtec dave]

EIC according to the NIC! Thanks for your replies.

 

[Wilko]

Oooo now you've done it

 

[Nigel]

Sorry but I like to add an RCD if it's possible.

Why?

 

[Pete999]

Oooo now you've done it

No comment Wilko, rest easy

 

[Pete999]

Oooo now you've done it

No comment Wilko, rest easy

EIC according to the NIC! Thanks for your replies.

What would you enter on this EIC then as work done?

 

[Pete999]

Why?

Why?

At a guess "because it needs RCD Protection"

 

[Pete999]

An EIC is not just for new circuits.

I know, what's that got to do with my post though?

 

[Nigel]

At a guess "because it needs RCD Protection"

He never said that. He said "where ever possible".

 

[Deleted member 26818]

Sorry didn’t reread the OP correctly.
New 1 way CU = EIC and notification for Part P.
New enclosure containing new RCD = MEWIC.

 

[Pete999]

He never said that. He said "where ever possible".

He never said that. He said "where ever possible".

Are you referring to post 28 "i would like to add an RCD if it's possible"

 

[Deleted account]

Changing a cu or adding a cu constitutes an EIC and notification even if you don't make any additions or alterations to any circuits coming of that cu.

 

[Deleted member 9648]

'kinell....what a performance!

 

[BrendonP]

Just a thought.
Is an MCB BSEN60898 suitable to use as a switching device.

 

[Deleted member 26818]

Just a thought.
Is an MCB BSEN60898 suitable to use as a switching device.

Yes, it is suitable for (on -load) Isolation, Emergency Switching and Functional switching.

 

[telectrix]

EIC according to the NIC! Thanks for your replies.

so it must be wrong.

 

[Spoon]

He never said that. He said "where ever possible".

In what post?

 

[Toneyz]

Why did you not fit an RCD in an enclosure the circuit should already have a protective device at the circuit origin so from that perspective I can see why members are saying EIC as a new circuit. I assume this existing burnt out switch was either outside the bathroom or in an adj cupboard. I agree with Pete on what is wrong with adding an RCD to increase the level of safety. It's MW but there would be nothing wrong with issuing an EIC just more paperwork.

 

[Toneyz]

You haven't wired a new circuit, you have altered an existing circuit MNW

I could kind of see where ESSEX was sort of coming from as switchgear rather than an accessory a subdistribution circuit has been made hence why saying EIC if an RCD in an enclosure replaced the isolation switch it would have been a straight MW.Still agree though can be MW for what's done.

 

[Ian1981]

Just a thought.
Is an MCB BSEN60898 suitable to use as a switching device.

Yes check out table 53.4 however below on indent (5) advises against frequent load switching of a 60898 device.

 

[BrendonP]

Ian1981. Thats what i thought. The note was added in amendment 3 i think.

 

[dtec dave]

NIC said that it has to be an EIC beca

Why?

Sorry been away all weekend so couldn't reply..

NIC said that it has to be an EIC because "I have introduced a new MCB to the circuit and the details of this need recording".