Eicr

[Leesparkykent]

Any body has a wooden CU tell them they need a rewire, ask them if they can afford it and get out of there. Do not do anything last man in is responsible fail it on a visual charge them £30 quid and get out of there.

Click on the link in post#16 and scroll down to page 56

 

[Leesparkykent]

Reckon he was waiting for a bite boss!

I hope so lol

 

[Guest125]

I recently done a niceic solar course down south. The guy carrying out the course also carried out courses in eicr's. I put the question to him about what codes I should put to various observations ie ones that were safe but not up to current regs. (Ones I didn't think deserved a code). His reply was that anything that wasn't up to current regs. should be a code 3 because it would enhance the installation . I asked well why do away with the old code 4 then! I said I thought an eicr was carried out to see if an installation was in a safe condition not to see if it was up to current regs.
However he wouldn't have any of it...

Well this is how we carry out EICRs. We use the C3 as a way of highlighting that everything is fine but these things could be improved.

Reading that leaflet from LSK though it says different. The jury is still out on this one for me.

 

[CockneyReject]

There is no correct answer but you need to be confident with your own answers. Off the bat without seeing I would say:

1) C2 - wooden base DB coukd potentialy be dangerous.
2) C3 - as long as continuity is adequate.
3) C2 - potentially dangerous
4) C3 - as long as OCPD is rated appropriately to the conductor sizes.

got some regs to back those up fella????

1,2,4, no code. maybe a comment for 2 & 4.

3. C3.

IMO.edit: 2. code if <6mm.

need some more info on the multiple circuits in one breaker but other than that the above is pretty much how I see it too

Well this is how we carry out EICRs. We use the C3 as a way of highlighting that everything is fine but these things could be improved.

Reading that leaflet from LSK though it says different. The jury is still out on this one for me.

In what way?your opinion?, how things are done in your neck of the woods? Or it doesn't comply with the current edition and amendment of the regs but it doesn't have an impact on the installations electrical safety?


you should be able to back up all your observations with relevant regs,your not required to provide the reg numbers in your EICR (unless your client specifies so, which I would of thought some railway mobs would insist) if it's not dangerous, potentially dangerous or doesn't comply with the current regs then it shouldn't be on the report

 

[Guest125]

got some regs to back those up fella????



need some more info on the multiple circuits in one breaker but other than that the above is pretty much how I see it too



In what way?your opinion?, how things are done in your neck of the woods? Or it doesn't comply with the current edition and amendment of the regs but it doesn't have an impact on the installations electrical safety?


you should be able to back up all your observations with relevant regs,your not required to provide the reg numbers in your EICR (unless your client specifies so, which I would of thought some railway mobs would insist) if it's not dangerous, potentially dangerous or doesn't comply with the current regs then it shouldn't be on the report

My regs don't fit in my back pocket, sorry.

I said 'off the bat' for a reason.

Can you back your opinion up with regs? I will try tomorrow.

No we do not put reg numbers in.

Just an opinion mate. No need to go all bonkers over it.

Oh no! I can't Adam & Eve it. I got rockin' horse all over me backed beans because of you now.

 

[D Skelton]

Hi all, I have done a few EICR's before however could do with a bit of advice on what codes you more experienced guys would give these observations;
1 Old 3036 DB made up of wooden base/back. (C3?) No code
2 Underszed main bond. (C3?) If it truly is undersized then yes, C3, I do however recommend a read of chapter 54 to verify this as I'm willing to bet it aint. If it aint, then no code
3 Cooker switch mounted 18" above cooker (C3?) No code
4 Mutiple cct's in MCB (C3?) No code
Thanks for any input.

There is no correct answer but you need to be confident with your own answers. Off the bat without seeing I would say:

1) C2 - wooden base DB coukd potentialy be dangerous. Wrong. No code
2) C3 - as long as continuity is adequate. As previously explained
3) C2 - potentially dangerous Wrong. No code
4) C3 - as long as OCPD is rated appropriately to the conductor sizes. Wrong. No code

My contribution in red

Never before have I seen such a well executed example of the blind leading the blind!

 

[ipf]

My contribution in red

Never before have I seen such a well executed example of the blind leading the blind!

True. I'm getting a bit sick and bored with this lot.

 

[D Skelton]

True. I'm getting a bit sick and bored with this lot.

What's worse than being sick and bored of threads like these???

Being sick and bored of life in general, then coming on here and finding threads like these!

Makes the thought of putting a shotgun in my mouth and pulling the trigger quite a pleasant distraction.

 

[ipf]

What's worse than being sick and bored of threads like these???

Being sick and bored of life in general, then coming on here and finding threads like these!

Makes the thought of putting a shotgun in my mouth and pulling the trigger quite a pleasant distraction.

Distraction, to be sure. At least Erwin was forced to take the pills....or so they reckon!

 

[123]

What's worse than being sick and bored of threads like these???

Being sick and bored of life in general, then coming on here and finding threads like these!

Makes the thought of putting a shotgun in my mouth and pulling the trigger quite a pleasant distraction.

WTF! Crap threads crap sparks crap whatever that's a terrible statement

 

[ipf]

WTF! Crap threads crap sparks crap whatever that's a terrible statement

It's a bleedin' malaise, man!!!!

 

[D Skelton]

WTF! Crap threads crap sparks crap whatever that's a terrible statement

Eh????

 

[Knobhead]

Never before have I seen such a well executed example of the blind leading the blind!

Thanks Damian,
The most accurate post so far.



The sooner there is a fraud case against a so called “competent electrician” for an inaccurate EICR the better.
For one thing a competent electrician would have to be defined. Anyone asking “how do I code this?” isn’t competent to carry out the job.
We all know some use inaccurate EICR’s to browbeat clients in to unnecessary work.



If I’ve upset anyone with the above comment you are by inference incompetent to undertake this sort of work. Therefore no apology will be forthcoming.

 

[Guest125]

It's only a chat gentlemen.

 

[Guest125]

got some regs to back those up fella????

314.4 - Where an installation comprises more than one final circuit, each final circuit shall be connected to a separate way in a distribution board. The wiring of each final circuit shall be electrically separate from that of every other final circuit, so as to prevent the indirect energising of a final circuit intended to be isolated.

Building regs state as follows: Cooker control switches, extractor fan switches, etc, should not be mounted so that it is necessary to lean or reach over gas or electric hobs for their operation.

Think about it - a pan fire starts and the switch is behind the pan that is on fire. Common sense I would have thought.

 

[Guest125]

And if three final circuits were in one MCB how would you record the R1+R2 and Zs reading?

 

[Plonker 3]

And if three final circuits were in one MCB how would you record the R1+R2 and Zs reading?

One circuit, one MCB, regardless how many cables are fitted into it.

As for test results you record the the highest value, like you would on a radial with several spurs on it.

 

[Des 56]

314.4 - Where an installation comprises more than one final circuit, each final circuit shall be connected to a separate way in a distribution board. The wiring of each final circuit shall be electrically separate from that of every other final circuit, so as to prevent the indirect energising of a final circuit intended to be isolated.

Building regs state as follows: Cooker control switches, extractor fan switches, etc, should not be mounted so that it is necessary to lean or reach over gas or electric hobs for their operation.

Think about it - a pan fire starts and the switch is behind the pan that is on fire. Common sense I would have thought.

You now need to go to definitions,understand what is defined as a circuit, there you will find your explanation and reasoning is inaccurate

 

[Guest125]

You now need to go to definitions,understand what is defined as a circuit, there you will find your explanation and reasoning is inaccurate

Final Circuit - A circuit connected directly to current -using equipment, or to a socket-outlet or socket-outlets or other outlet points for the connection of such equipment.

 

[Guest125]

One circuit, one MCB, regardless how many cables are fitted into it.

As for test results you record the the highest value, like you would on a radial with several spurs on it.

Sorry man. I may have misunderstood. I was talking about for example, 3 separate radial circuits connected to 1 MCB.