Ever feel as though your being setup to fail.

[RDB85]

I doubt you'll change their minds and, ultimately, it's up to the company's owners to determine how they run their business.

Better to ask yourself if you can accept their practices and plan accordingly.

I probably won’t change their minds. As they aren’t open to suggestions. I do try and plan the jobs but when your given no real spec and a hopeless deadline, only so much can be done. Also pay is not even salary it’s NMW. Expecting an awful lot for min wage. Even an engineer when I mentioned it to him said it was unreasonable.

 

[westward10]

Was it your only job for the day.

 

[RDB85]

Was it your only job for the day.

No apparently they booked other jobs in. As the supervisor said it should take half a day after a brief but short visit.

 

[nicebutdim]

Some people fail to comprehend that their estimate of time, after taking a cursory glance at a job, may not be as accurate as they'd like to believe. Sometimes a job comes together and runs much more smoothly than planned, although the opposite is more often true. A sensible employer will understand this and be able to determine the difference between unforeseen challenges and slow work.

My assessment of the alarm industry still stands and the standard of work on display attests to this. There are exceptions, but most installers I meet seem to have settled into an easy life with a desire to do the bare minimum and treat every day like early retirement.

Moving out of this specialised area could significantly broaden your range of skills and also future work prospects. Any spark can move into alarm installation, and most would find it an easy life, but few alarm installers would last a crack if working in general electrical installation. You're young and hopefully have many years ahead of you - make the most of them.

 

[OnlQQker]

I just want to leave. It’s a bit difficult at the moment.

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Your thread is obvious that you give a dam about your work ethics, punctuality, standard of work, dress code, honor, etc etc.

I don't like companies, I was amongst one when I left school. They charge you out at 150 quid a day, and give you 12 quid a day back, and take tax from that, leaving you £54.07 a week. Whilst they got £695.93 a week for you.
This was back in the late 80's

You pick it up quickly, go for quality and not quantity and get hassled for not rushing about like a lunatic.

Until one day, you'll find a customer recognises this as well, and they'll ask for you to come back and do a job for them.

This is the point you start building your own customers, a database for your future customers, unless the company notices this as well and ups your pay.

The question is, do you want to to the job you're currently in, or are you having to do it because you feel trapped?

Is this the field you're happy in, or is there an underlaying passion that you'd like to do, but have convinced yourself you can't do it for however many various reasons?

 

[timhoward]

They charge you out at 150 quid a day, and give you 12 quid a day back, and take tax from that, leaving you £54.07 a week. Whilst they got £695.93 a week for you.

I was thinking about exactly this when I read something earlier in the thread. If they are paying MW and claiming they lost money if a job took a day instead of a morning then that is saying about £40-£50 plus employers NI tipped the balance. (assuming the OP is over 23 years old)
Surely the margins can't be that tight to run a company with staff, vans, premises, admin people etc.
I'd take the comment they lost money with a large pinch of salt. If they really did then it was a job they should have turned down in the first place!

 

[mainline]

I was thinking about exactly this when I read something earlier in the thread. If they are paying MW and claiming they lost money if a job took a day instead of a morning then that is saying about £40-£50 plus employers NI tipped the balance. (assuming the OP is over 23 years old)
Surely the margins can't be that tight to run a company with staff, vans, premises, admin people etc.
I'd take the comment they lost money with a large pinch of salt. If they really did then it was a job they should have turned down in the first place!

They probably mean they should have made £1000 and only made £800 so count it as a £200 loss.

 

[RDB85]

Regarding the if I’m happy doing the job. It’s okay and I prefer doing the CCTV side of it and wouldn’t mind moving into Home Automation. There isn’t many companies around Liverpool that do it as a service. It’s expensive and specialist. I do have my Level 2 and 3 2365 and only moved to Fire and Security as an Apprentice to get a start. I’m still looking to pursue the Electrical career. No one is willing to take on someone in their 30s with no Electrical experience.

 

[nicebutdim]

Regarding the if I’m happy doing the job. It’s okay and I prefer doing the CCTV side of it and wouldn’t mind moving into Home Automation. There isn’t many companies around Liverpool that do it as a service. It’s expensive and specialist. I do have my Level 2 and 3 2365 and only moved to Fire and Security as an Apprentice to get a start. I’m still looking to pursue the Electrical career. No one is willing to take on someone in their 30s with no Electrical experience.

They are and they do, although it's likely to be more difficult than at 16.

 

[MJPD29]

Regarding the if I’m happy doing the job. It’s okay and I prefer doing the CCTV side of it and wouldn’t mind moving into Home Automation. There isn’t many companies around Liverpool that do it as a service. It’s expensive and specialist. I do have my Level 2 and 3 2365 and only moved to Fire and Security as an Apprentice to get a start. I’m still looking to pursue the Electrical career. No one is willing to take on someone in their 30s with no Electrical experience.

If that is the case and you have identified a gap in the market in your local area, and can’t follow the path you want to (apprenticeship), then a domestic installer course with an eye on domestic home automation could be an option?